Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hari OM! Blessed Self, I have a question, If Brahman is every where at all times, when one dies the dead body is also having Brahman. When Narayana goes from this body, this body is abandoned by all, even the dearest and nearest did not want this body. So is there Brahman in that body also?? Comments from Blessed members are greatly appreciated With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Namaste Krishnaji: The Brahman (consciousness)is responsible for the recognition of the 'Dead Body.' The answer to the question has been beautifully summarized by the Lord in the verses currently under Gita Satsangh discussion. The Lord within us (not our body, mind and intellect but the Atman) is the cause for what we see (recognize) every where! regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote: > Hari OM! > > Blessed Self, > > I have a question, If Brahman is every where at all times, when one > dies the dead body is also having Brahman. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Namaste Krishna Prasad questions: ....If Brahman is every where at all times, when one dies the dead body is also having Brahman..... is there Brahman in that body also?? ---------------------------- Krishna Prasadji, nice question! Pardon me for starting from scratch. Some part of the following is very elementary. I cannot help my vAsanA of a Mathematics teacher showing through! The Absolute brahman is the only Reality. It is everywhere. It pervades everything. Anything that shows up, shows up because of brahman. The technical way of saying this is: ‘Everything shines because of the ‘shine’ of brahman’. One quotation (among the hundreds that can be given at this point) is Gita: XV – 12: yadAdityagatam tejo jagad-bhAsayate’khilaM / yac-candramasi yac-cAgnau tatejo viddhi mAmakaM // Meaning, That light which residing in the sun, illumines the whole world, that which is in the moon and in the fire , know that light to be Mine. This is the Lord’s Declaration. How can one light be in everything and show up as the multiplicity of the world? Just as fire shows up as a rectangular fire when it glows in a rectangular piece of wood, and shows up as a spherical fireball when it glows in a spherical piece of wood, (the analogy is not mine; it is from Kathopanishad), so also the Lord, who has no form on his own, shows up as a man in a man’s body, shows up as an animal in an animal’s body, and shows up as an inert object in a mass of matter. So whatever shows up shows up because the absolute brahman is what shows up as that ‘whatever’. Now go back to Gita XV-12. Everything is His light. Even the sun’s light is His. Without His presence it (sunlight) is only an inert physical manifestation. Without the light of the brahman-Atman, the inert manifestation (=light) will not be ‘showing up’. Even if there is a lighted candle in a room, to know there is light there, there must be a jiva-consciousness in that room. The dead body in that room will not know there is a lighted candle there or that there is light. Inert objects do not ‘know’ they are present. The dead body does not know that it is a dead body. The caitanya (=consciousness) has to be present even to realise whether it is dark or there is light. When we recognise there is light in a lighted room, we recognise it not because there is the lighted candle there (-- that part is Physics--) but because there is a light of Consciousness within us. Darkness is recognised by us because there is this light of Consciousness in us. The light of Consciousness is what lights up everything. In inert matter, there is brahman of course, but brahman is present not as consciousness but as matter which is devoid of consciousness. Brahman is present in us as Consciousness, but we (wrongly) think we are conscious because it is natural for us to be conscious. Why we are not ‘conscious’ of the ‘Consciousness’ present in us, why we do not see the Lord in us, is a difficult question which has to be taken up in a different posting. I do not know whether I have answered your question, Krishna Prasadji; but feel free to pursue with further questions. Thank you. praNAms to all advaitins profvk ===== Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hari OM! Blessed Ramchandraji & Prof.VKji, Thanks You so much, actually after reading the posting of Srimad Bhagwad Geetha, and Blessed explanation by Prof.VKji, really the answer is to the point and enlightening. "They are in me and I am not in them". answers all the questions. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad --- Ram Chandran <rchandran wrote: > Namaste Krishnaji: > > The Brahman (consciousness)is responsible for the recognition of > the 'Dead Body.' The answer to the question has been beautifully > summarized by the Lord in the verses currently under Gita Satsangh > discussion. The Lord within us (not our body, mind and intellect > but > the Atman) is the cause for what we see (recognize) every where! > > regards, > > Ram Chandran > > advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote: > > Hari OM! > > > > Blessed Self, > > > > I have a question, If Brahman is every where at all times, when > one > > dies the dead body is also having Brahman. > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > > "They are in me and I am not in them". answers all > the questions. > > Namaste Krishna, While accepting all that has been said we can also ask what Sri Bhagavan means in Chapter 9 verse 29 which follows the above quote: 'Towards all beings I am the same: I hate none, nor hold any dear. Those who worship Me with devotion live in Me and I in them.' Also Chapter 7vs5,6,7: 'This is My lower nature; but My higher nature, know to be other than it. That constitutes, Mighty Armed, the living being by which this world is upheld. Know all beings to be born of this My dual nature. I am the source of the entire world as well as that into which it is dissolved. Nothing whatsoever is beyond Me. All this is strung on Me like clusters of gems on a thread.' I hope that thsi is not an intrusion into your discussion but I am just delighting in reading all the mails and cannot contribute to all, Ken Knight Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Namaste. Although Krishna Prasad-Ji has found the right answers to his doubts, I felt there is another way of looking at his question. Advaitically, it is not logical to think that Brahman or Narayana is everywhere and eternal. If we use the term everywhere, we will end up with a concept of many places, like Narayana is in Mumbai, New York, in the Andromeda Galaxy, in the anti-universe etc. Although that is the truth, the term points at duality (of many places) and, therefore, belongs to the region of avidya. If we think that Brahman is ever (always) there (eternal), then we will have to think in temporal terms like day, month, year, century, millennium, eon and so on. The statement closest to Truth in linguistic terms should, therefore, be that Brahman or Narayana is everywhereness and all-time-ness which in effect is spacelessness and timelessness. So, where and how can He go leaving the dead body? He is simply not permitted to go anywhere! We advaitins have locked Him up! Pranams. Madathil Nair ______________________________ advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2002 Report Share Posted October 9, 2002 Namaste, In the eighth chapter of the Gita, Sri Bhagavan says "Aksharam Brahma..... "Brahman is the indestructible". This is like a Sutra. I believe that our ancients used the best method to communicate the profound, like the Zen Koans, we have the Sutras. So much information is made compact into two words - Aksharam Brahma. What better description (if I can use that word) of the Brahman can there be than the indestructible. Anand --- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote: > Namaste. > > Although Krishna Prasad-Ji has found the right > answers to his doubts, > I felt there is another way of looking at his > question. > > Advaitically, it is not logical to think that > Brahman or Narayana is > everywhere and eternal. > > If we use the term everywhere, we will end up with a > concept of many > places, like Narayana is in Mumbai, New York, in the > Andromeda > Galaxy, in the anti-universe etc. Although that is > the truth, the > term points at duality (of many places) and, > therefore, belongs to > the region of avidya. > > If we think that Brahman is ever (always) there > (eternal), then we > will have to think in temporal terms like day, > month, year, century, > millennium, eon and so on. > > The statement closest to Truth in linguistic terms > should, therefore, > be that Brahman or Narayana is everywhereness and > all-time-ness which > in effect is spacelessness and timelessness. So, > where and how can > He go leaving the dead body? He is simply not > permitted to go > anywhere! We advaitins have locked Him up! > > Pranams. > > Madathil Nair > > ______________________________ Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2002 Report Share Posted October 10, 2002 Namaste. Well said. Agreed, Anand-Ji. Still we can't help explaining the compact. See with how much text we have ended up interpreting the Brahma Sutras and how many more words we are still creating! Thanks. Madathil Nair _____________________ advaitin, Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo> wrote: > In the eighth chapter of the Gita, Sri Bhagavan says > "Aksharam Brahma..... > > "Brahman is the indestructible". > > This is like a Sutra. I believe that our ancients used > the best method to communicate the profound, like the > Zen Koans, we have the Sutras. > > So much information is made compact into two words - > Aksharam Brahma. What better description (if I can use > that word) of the Brahman can there be than the > indestructible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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