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Hari OM!

 

Blessed Self,

 

I have a question, If Brahman is every where at all times, when one

dies the dead body is also having Brahman.

 

When Narayana goes from this body, this body is abandoned by all,

even the dearest and nearest did not want this body. So is there

Brahman in that body also??

 

Comments from Blessed members are greatly appreciated

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

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Namaste Krishnaji:

 

The Brahman (consciousness)is responsible for the recognition of

the 'Dead Body.' The answer to the question has been beautifully

summarized by the Lord in the verses currently under Gita Satsangh

discussion. The Lord within us (not our body, mind and intellect but

the Atman) is the cause for what we see (recognize) every where!

 

regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote:

> Hari OM!

>

> Blessed Self,

>

> I have a question, If Brahman is every where at all times, when one

> dies the dead body is also having Brahman.

>

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Namaste

 

Krishna Prasad questions:

....If Brahman is every where at all times, when one

dies the dead body is also having Brahman..... is there

Brahman in that body also??

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Krishna Prasadji, nice question!

 

Pardon me for starting from scratch. Some part of the following

is very elementary. I cannot help my vAsanA of a Mathematics

teacher showing through!

 

The Absolute brahman is the only Reality. It is everywhere. It

pervades everything. Anything that shows up, shows up because of

brahman. The technical way of saying this is: ‘Everything shines

because of the ‘shine’ of brahman’. One quotation (among the

hundreds that can be given at this point) is Gita: XV – 12:

 

yadAdityagatam tejo jagad-bhAsayate’khilaM /

yac-candramasi yac-cAgnau tatejo viddhi mAmakaM //

 

Meaning, That light which residing in the sun, illumines the

whole world, that which is in the moon and in the fire , know

that light to be Mine.

This is the Lord’s Declaration. How can one light be in

everything and show up as the multiplicity of the world? Just as

fire shows up as a rectangular fire when it glows in a

rectangular piece of wood, and shows up as a spherical fireball

when it glows in a spherical piece of wood, (the analogy is not

mine; it is from Kathopanishad), so also the Lord, who has no

form on his own, shows up as a man in a man’s body, shows up as

an animal in an animal’s body, and shows up as an inert object

in a mass of matter. So whatever shows up shows up because the

absolute brahman is what shows up as that ‘whatever’.

Now go back to Gita XV-12. Everything is His light. Even the

sun’s light is His. Without His presence it (sunlight) is only

an inert physical manifestation. Without the light of the

brahman-Atman, the inert manifestation (=light) will not be

‘showing up’. Even if there is a lighted candle in a room, to

know there is light there, there must be a jiva-consciousness in

that room. The dead body in that room will not know there is a

lighted candle there or that there is light. Inert objects do

not ‘know’ they are present. The dead body does not know that it

is a dead body. The caitanya (=consciousness) has to be present

even to realise whether it is dark or there is light. When we

recognise there is light in a lighted room, we recognise it not

because there is the lighted candle there (-- that part is

Physics--) but because there is a light of Consciousness within

us. Darkness is recognised by us because there is this light of

Consciousness in us. The light of Consciousness is what lights

up everything. In inert matter, there is brahman of course, but

brahman is present not as consciousness but as matter which is

devoid of consciousness. Brahman is present in us as

Consciousness, but we (wrongly) think we are conscious because

it is natural for us to be conscious. Why we are not ‘conscious’

of the ‘Consciousness’ present in us, why we do not see the Lord

in us, is a difficult question which has to be taken up in a

different posting.

 

I do not know whether I have answered your question, Krishna

Prasadji; but feel free to pursue with further questions. Thank

you.

 

praNAms to all advaitins

profvk

 

 

 

 

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My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/

You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and

Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site.

 

 

 

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Hari OM!

 

Blessed Ramchandraji & Prof.VKji,

 

Thanks You so much, actually after reading the posting of Srimad

Bhagwad Geetha, and Blessed explanation by Prof.VKji, really the

answer is to the point and enlightening.

 

"They are in me and I am not in them". answers all the questions.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Ram Chandran <rchandran wrote:

> Namaste Krishnaji:

>

> The Brahman (consciousness)is responsible for the recognition of

> the 'Dead Body.' The answer to the question has been beautifully

> summarized by the Lord in the verses currently under Gita Satsangh

> discussion. The Lord within us (not our body, mind and intellect

> but

> the Atman) is the cause for what we see (recognize) every where!

>

> regards,

>

> Ram Chandran

>

> advaitin, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote:

> > Hari OM!

> >

> > Blessed Self,

> >

> > I have a question, If Brahman is every where at all times, when

> one

> > dies the dead body is also having Brahman.

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

>

> "They are in me and I am not in them". answers all

> the questions.

>

>

Namaste Krishna,

 

While accepting all that has been said we can also ask

what Sri Bhagavan means in Chapter 9 verse 29 which

follows the above quote:

'Towards all beings I am the same: I hate none, nor

hold any dear. Those who worship Me with devotion live

in Me and I in them.'

 

Also Chapter 7vs5,6,7:

'This is My lower nature; but My higher nature, know

to be other than it. That constitutes, Mighty Armed,

the living being by which this world is upheld.

Know all beings to be born of this My dual nature. I

am the source of the entire world as well as that into

which it is dissolved.

Nothing whatsoever is beyond Me. All this is strung on

Me like clusters of gems on a thread.'

 

I hope that thsi is not an intrusion into your

discussion but I am just delighting in reading all the

mails and cannot contribute to all,

 

Ken Knight

 

 

 

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Namaste.

 

Although Krishna Prasad-Ji has found the right answers to his doubts,

I felt there is another way of looking at his question.

 

Advaitically, it is not logical to think that Brahman or Narayana is

everywhere and eternal.

 

If we use the term everywhere, we will end up with a concept of many

places, like Narayana is in Mumbai, New York, in the Andromeda

Galaxy, in the anti-universe etc. Although that is the truth, the

term points at duality (of many places) and, therefore, belongs to

the region of avidya.

 

If we think that Brahman is ever (always) there (eternal), then we

will have to think in temporal terms like day, month, year, century,

millennium, eon and so on.

 

The statement closest to Truth in linguistic terms should, therefore,

be that Brahman or Narayana is everywhereness and all-time-ness which

in effect is spacelessness and timelessness. So, where and how can

He go leaving the dead body? He is simply not permitted to go

anywhere! We advaitins have locked Him up!

 

Pranams.

 

Madathil Nair

 

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advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote:

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Namaste,

 

In the eighth chapter of the Gita, Sri Bhagavan says

"Aksharam Brahma.....

 

"Brahman is the indestructible".

 

This is like a Sutra. I believe that our ancients used

the best method to communicate the profound, like the

Zen Koans, we have the Sutras.

 

So much information is made compact into two words -

Aksharam Brahma. What better description (if I can use

that word) of the Brahman can there be than the

indestructible.

 

Anand

 

 

--- Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair

wrote:

> Namaste.

>

> Although Krishna Prasad-Ji has found the right

> answers to his doubts,

> I felt there is another way of looking at his

> question.

>

> Advaitically, it is not logical to think that

> Brahman or Narayana is

> everywhere and eternal.

>

> If we use the term everywhere, we will end up with a

> concept of many

> places, like Narayana is in Mumbai, New York, in the

> Andromeda

> Galaxy, in the anti-universe etc. Although that is

> the truth, the

> term points at duality (of many places) and,

> therefore, belongs to

> the region of avidya.

>

> If we think that Brahman is ever (always) there

> (eternal), then we

> will have to think in temporal terms like day,

> month, year, century,

> millennium, eon and so on.

>

> The statement closest to Truth in linguistic terms

> should, therefore,

> be that Brahman or Narayana is everywhereness and

> all-time-ness which

> in effect is spacelessness and timelessness. So,

> where and how can

> He go leaving the dead body? He is simply not

> permitted to go

> anywhere! We advaitins have locked Him up!

>

> Pranams.

>

> Madathil Nair

>

> ______________________________

 

 

 

 

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Namaste.

 

Well said. Agreed, Anand-Ji.

 

Still we can't help explaining the compact. See with how much text

we have ended up interpreting the Brahma Sutras and how many more

words we are still creating!

 

Thanks.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, Anand Natarajan <harihara.geo> wrote:

> In the eighth chapter of the Gita, Sri Bhagavan says

> "Aksharam Brahma.....

>

> "Brahman is the indestructible".

>

> This is like a Sutra. I believe that our ancients used

> the best method to communicate the profound, like the

> Zen Koans, we have the Sutras.

>

> So much information is made compact into two words -

> Aksharam Brahma. What better description (if I can use

> that word) of the Brahman can there be than the

> indestructible.

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