From Gita IX - 9 to Five Tenets of Practical Vedanta

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Does it dilute the principle to say that 'I am not the doer' might be stated

as 'I am not just this doer'. That brings my identity into line with the

reality that all these limiting adjuncts (Jivas) are superimposed upon.

This is arguably a stepping stone to the complete absorption that 'I am not

the doer' represents. That will turn the clash of egos into the equality of

the facet of reality. As the light strikes it each facet can shine so no

one is lost. I recall Sai Baba saying (from memory) Neti, neti can be

construed as 'not just this, not just this'.

 

Is this just piety? In our meditation on unity from time to time we recieve

confirmation in the most surprising manner. Those people that we may feel

an aversion to which is virtually polar we now can talk to.

 

Madathil I've printed out your post on pain and the ideas of Klein to better

study them. I'm wary of advaita as pain control or disembodiment of any

sort. It seems to me that saints in the final stages of their lives are

always there letting the physical manifest their identification with us.

They could probably not feel pain if they wanted to. It's a large subject.

 

Ciao and Blessings, Michael.

 

 

 

 

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Hi Michael.

 

Let me hasten to say that I didn't mean advaita as an analgesic or a

means to disembodiment. My point was that analysis can help us

understand that pain and pleasure are just "knowledge" taking place*

and that body is yet another object which we can we do away with most

of the time. In fact, even with all our mundane preoccupations, we

are naturally unaware of it most of the time! (*That is my

explanation for Bhagwan Ramana's not bothering about his terminal

shoulder sarcoma.)

 

Baba is right. As I have pointed out many times before, the exact

translation for neti (i.e. na + iti) is "not like this" or "not this

way" or "not in this manner". I don't understand how it became "not

this", which is complete negation. I am afraid I am again in

forbidden territory.

 

Thanks and pranams.

 

Madathil Nair

 

advaitin, "michael Reidy" <ombhurbhuva@h...> wrote:

 

 

1. I recall Sai Baba saying (from memory) Neti, neti can be

> construed as 'not just this, not just this'.

>

2. I'm wary of advaita as pain control or disembodiment of any

> sort.