Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Namaste advaitins, Analyzing and rationalising higher, self realized (evolved), states like samadhi state, Nirvikalpa state, karma yoga state, sanyasa state at an early state of the process leads to zillions of interpretations and conceptions. Its almost like talking relativity to a sixth grader. It leads to infinite loops of argument like if the hen or the egg came first, does the attitude leads to realization or the realization culminates such attitudes. No one is wrong ..its just like saying the tree is moving away from the train which is equally right (relativity)... or one can observe that there is no duality like right or wrong, heat or cold, happy or sorrow ... ...Its in the observer not in the observed... only one's true self can guide a sadhaka forward. Until one realises their 'self' they may take guidance from the knowlege ie., scriptures. Synchronizing the appropriate knowledge with the appropriate state of mind is one of the challenges for a sadhaka to move forward. The mind needs to be prepared before the knowledge can be received, ie., its not in how much one desires...its in how much the person deserves decides the game. Sadhakam converts the desire to a deserving state. Bundles of theology are no where before an ounce of experience Its time to take the dive... Are you ready for the challenge?...Do you need a trick or a treat (theory or experience ) ? ... >From the inspiring postings i got from this group so far, i request the enlightened advaitins to join me to achieve the target practice of atleast 3 hour(non stop) gayatri manthra chanting or japa practice or silent meditation or .... i'm going to mix japa with the following strategy ... --- fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose (Gita) -- Assuming a padmasana pose ( as long as possible ) -- chanting one Gayathri slowly for the whole minute (feeling the vibrations while chanting) -- no break for whole three hours. i request your wishes and participation in my quest ... Pranams to advaitins V.Srinivasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 --- "V.Srinivasan" <test0001 wrote: > > --- fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose (Gita) > -- Assuming a padmasana pose ( as long as possible ) > -- chanting one Gayathri slowly for the whole minute > (feeling the vibrations while chanting) > -- no break for whole three hours. > > i request your wishes and participation in my quest ... > > Pranams to advaitins > V.Srinivasan Blessed Srinivasan, I just want to present my understanding. Frist - we are not longing for some experience - experience is time bound. what we are looking for the knowledge of what we experience all the time - ourselves. Second the procedures have thier role but yet sadhana is not some exercise in physical acrobatics - What is needed is an iquiry with in - of the nature of oneself or nature of the reality. All others are tools to help for the mind to prepare for inquiry. I do appreciate the spirit of your posting but just want to caution you also about the getting lost in the means and forgetting the nature of the goal that we are trying to arive. This is not underestimate the japa- sitting five minutes or 3 hours is not the criteria, I am afraid. One may develp cramps of one is not used to it but not knowledge of oneself. The posture and not even japa does not guarentee the result either. Then every tricker gets the treat. Hari OM! Sadananda ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada> wrote: What is needed is an iquiry with in > - of the nature of oneself or nature of the reality. All others are > tools to help for the mind to prepare for inquiry. > > I do appreciate the spirit of your posting but just want to caution > you also about the getting lost in the means and forgetting the > nature of the goal that we are trying to arive. Namaste, This is reminiscent of two episodes from Chandogya Upanishad, of Satyakama and of Upakoshala: http://madhva.tripod.com/Upanishad/chand/intro.html Satyakama Jabala approaches Gautama for learning Brahman. Gautama enquires about his gotra. Satyakama frankly tells Gautama that neither he nor his mother knows. Gautama pleased by his truthfulness agrees to teach him. However, he entrusts four hundred cows to him and instructs that he should return from the forest only when these grow into one thousand cows. Accordingly Satyakama takes them to forest. These grow into a thousand in due course. Satyakama starts back to the Asrama. On his way back he camps at four places for four nights. Four dieties appearing in the form of a bull, swan etc, teach him four aspects of the supreme God viz Prakasavan i.e luminous, Anantavan i.e limitless, Jyoti sman i.e brilliant, and Ayatanvan i.e, abode of all. On his return to Asrama the teacher finds that he had already received the necessary knowledge. But Satyakama insists that the teacher should teach him. The knowledge obtained from the chosen teacher only is firm. Goutama teaches him the same and Satyakama receuves it with great reverence. Through this episode the importance of the chosen teacher is demonstrated. ====================== Upakoshala approaches this Satyakama to learn. He serves at his residence for twelve years. Many other students complete their education and leave. However, Satyakama does not teach Upakoshala, Satyakama's wife pleads for teaching Upakoshala. But Satyakama goes on a journey without heeding his wife's word. Then the three sacrificial fires viz. Garhapatya, Anvaharyapachana, and Ahavaniya teach him. The central teaching of these is, the supreme God who is present in Aditya, in Chandra, in Vidyut is the same one who is present in these sacrificial fires who are teaching Satyakama. He is called 'Aham' as none can remain without him. There is no difference among the various forms of the Supreme God present in different places. This is the purport of the phrase 'Soham Asmi sa evaham asmi' in these passages. On his return Satyakama found Upakoshala had received the necessary knowledge. He asked him to narrate what he had learnt so far. Upakosha narrated. Then, he told him that he knew the God present outside. Now I will teach you the God who is present in your eye. He taught him Vamani and Bhamani forms of the Supreme God present in the eye................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada> wrote: > > --- "V.Srinivasan" <test0001@u...> wrote: > > > > > --- fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose (Gita) > > -- Assuming a padmasana pose ( as long as possible ) > > -- chanting one Gayathri slowly for the whole minute > > (feeling the vibrations while chanting) > > -- no break for whole three hours. > > > > i request your wishes and participation in my quest ... > > > > Pranams to advaitins > > V.Srinivasan > Namaste Srinivasan-ji. It is good to see Srinivasan-ji's participation in the advaitin egroup. He is a key contributor at the Sacramento Satsang (we meet every friday). Just a couple of pounts. 1. Gita does not prescribe fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose. Gita says "as if you were fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose". Sri Sankara's commentary says: sampreksya, looking svam nasikagram, at tip of his own nose -looking at it intently, as it were; [What is sought to be presented here as the primary objective is the concentration of mind. If the gaze be directed outward, then it will result in interrupting that concentration. Therefore the purpose is to first fix the gaze of the eyes within.] If the intention were merely the looking at the tip of the nose, then the mind would remain fixed there itself, not on the Self! 2. Remaining in Padmasana pose , chanting Gayatri etc are very good if they are performed as a means of purifying the mind and not for personal/worldly motives. Then they would be considered Tapas and any tapas results in chitta suddhi. Chitta suddhi in turn helps one towards the goal. Sri Sankara mentions this in Vivekachudamani: So the mind must be earnestly purified by the seeker after liberation. Once it is purified, the fruit of liberation comes easily to hand. 181 > Blessed Srinivasan, > > I just want to present my understanding. > > Frist - we are not longing for some experience - experience is time > bound. what we are looking for the knowledge of what we experience > all the time - ourselves. > Agreed - we should not be longing for any experience. But as the Lord eulogies in Gita verses 6.20 to 6.22, the supreme state of Yoga wherein the self is revealed is presented as a strong motive a Sadhaka to aspire towards. Also see advaitin/message/9277 Even if the experience is short lived, the purification effect of such a state is so intense, it is highly recommeneded: Reflection on the Truth is a hundred times superior to hearing. Meditation on the truth is a hundred thousand times greater than reflection. Nirvikalpa-samadhi is infinitely superior to that (Vivekachudamani 365) regards Sundar Rajan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2002 Report Share Posted November 2, 2002 kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote: What is needed is an iquiry with in - of the nature of oneself or nature of the reality. Hari OM! Sadananda - For the benefit of those who may be interested in Sadhana I take liberty in posting a copy of a letter sent to Shri Krishnan by Shri Venkatram, ( a deciple of Baba Narmade Har), as follows: - Dear Krishnan, Say within yourself,"I am Atman, Brahman, Pure Conciousness". Go on repeating this. When you say,"Pure Conciousness", exist as the Conciousness that denies what was seen in dream inacluding Krishnan,when Krishnan got up from sleep, during which period 'it' was awake.This discrimination you should go on making.Recapitulate the dream and say,'No'.In the same way, say 'No'to anything that appears during such concentration. You should cut out all that you are not,by saying 'No'when anything cognisable by the mind, eyes etc.,appears to you during concentration. This concentration,which I am preaching to you,is not on any object or on any cognisable thing like 'AUM'. It is on Pure Conciousness. Now, how can you concentrate on Pure Conciousness which has no form?Your saying 'No' to whatever appears to you in any form is itself that concentration,since Pure Conciousness is that which excludes everything except itself. Pure Conciousness or Ultimate Truth itself is the witness in you as the cogniser in a twofold manner.1.the witness in the individual self(Jiva Sakshin)2.the witness in God(Ishwara Sakshin). As the witness in the individual self you are limited by the mind whereas as the witness in God you are limited by Cosmic Illusion (Maya). You should remember that Pure Conciousness alone appears in you as the individual Conciousness and as the Iswara Conciousness. The individual Conciousness goes on cutting all that mentally appears to it in some form or other,and when everything is cut out,it itself automatically becomes its Ishwara Sakshin when, as Ishwara Sakshin it cognises the Abhaava of all that was cut(i.e.)it is fully concious of the fact that what all was seen was only an appearance and hence they did not actually exist. When you have attained to this state of understanding,without much effort you will realise that the Truth in you is Pure Conciousness and with this realisation you will exist as Pure Conciousness itself.This has to be obtained only through Anubhava. It is of course very difficult to get to and exist as Pure Knowledge but if you practice as I have said here with thorough understanding,you have some day to exist as Anubhava Vigraha because in reality you are that only. ___________________- Hari Om, Swaminarayan. Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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