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Namaste advaitins,

 

Analyzing and rationalising higher, self realized (evolved), states

like samadhi state, Nirvikalpa state, karma yoga state, sanyasa state

at an early state of the process leads to zillions of interpretations

and conceptions. Its almost like talking relativity to a sixth

grader. It leads to infinite loops of argument like if the hen or the

egg came first, does the attitude leads to realization or the

realization culminates such attitudes.

 

No one is wrong ..its just like saying the tree is moving away from

the train which is equally right (relativity)... or one can observe

that there is no duality like right or wrong, heat or cold, happy or

sorrow ...

 

...Its in the observer not in the observed...

 

 

only one's true self can guide a sadhaka forward. Until one realises

their 'self' they may take guidance from the knowlege ie.,

scriptures. Synchronizing the appropriate knowledge with the

appropriate state of mind is one of the challenges for a sadhaka to

move forward. The mind needs to be prepared before the knowledge can

be received, ie., its not in how much one desires...its in how much

the person deserves decides the game. Sadhakam converts the desire to

a deserving state.

 

Bundles of theology are no where before an ounce of experience

Its time to take the dive... Are you ready for the challenge?...Do

you need a trick or a treat (theory or experience ) ?:) ...

>From the inspiring postings i got from this group so far, i request

the enlightened advaitins to join me to achieve the target practice

of atleast 3 hour(non stop) gayatri manthra chanting or japa practice

or silent meditation or ....

 

i'm going to mix japa with the following strategy ...

 

--- fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose (Gita)

-- Assuming a padmasana pose ( as long as possible )

-- chanting one Gayathri slowly for the whole minute

(feeling the vibrations while chanting)

-- no break for whole three hours.

 

i request your wishes and participation in my quest ...

 

Pranams to advaitins

V.Srinivasan

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--- "V.Srinivasan" <test0001 wrote:

>

> --- fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose (Gita)

> -- Assuming a padmasana pose ( as long as possible )

> -- chanting one Gayathri slowly for the whole minute

> (feeling the vibrations while chanting)

> -- no break for whole three hours.

>

> i request your wishes and participation in my quest ...

>

> Pranams to advaitins

> V.Srinivasan

 

Blessed Srinivasan,

 

I just want to present my understanding.

 

Frist - we are not longing for some experience - experience is time

bound. what we are looking for the knowledge of what we experience

all the time - ourselves.

 

Second the procedures have thier role but yet sadhana is not some

exercise in physical acrobatics - What is needed is an iquiry with in

- of the nature of oneself or nature of the reality. All others are

tools to help for the mind to prepare for inquiry.

 

I do appreciate the spirit of your posting but just want to caution

you also about the getting lost in the means and forgetting the

nature of the goal that we are trying to arive.

This is not underestimate the japa- sitting five minutes or 3 hours

is not the criteria, I am afraid. One may develp cramps of one is

not used to it but not knowledge of oneself. The posture and not even

japa does not guarentee the result either. Then every tricker gets

the treat.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

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What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift

to Him - Swami Chinmayananda.

 

 

 

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advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada>

wrote:

What is needed is an iquiry with in

> - of the nature of oneself or nature of the reality. All others are

> tools to help for the mind to prepare for inquiry.

>

> I do appreciate the spirit of your posting but just want to caution

> you also about the getting lost in the means and forgetting the

> nature of the goal that we are trying to arive.

 

Namaste,

 

This is reminiscent of two episodes from Chandogya Upanishad,

of Satyakama and of Upakoshala:

 

http://madhva.tripod.com/Upanishad/chand/intro.html

 

Satyakama Jabala approaches Gautama for learning Brahman. Gautama

enquires about his gotra. Satyakama frankly tells Gautama that

neither he nor his mother knows. Gautama pleased by his truthfulness

agrees to teach him. However, he entrusts four hundred cows to him

and instructs that he should return from the forest only when these

grow into one thousand cows. Accordingly Satyakama takes them to

forest. These grow into a thousand in due course. Satyakama starts

back to the Asrama. On his way back he camps at four places for four

nights. Four dieties appearing in the form of a bull, swan etc, teach

him four aspects of the supreme God viz Prakasavan i.e luminous,

Anantavan i.e limitless, Jyoti sman i.e brilliant, and Ayatanvan i.e,

abode of all. On his return to Asrama the teacher finds that he had

already received the necessary knowledge. But Satyakama insists that

the teacher should teach him. The knowledge obtained from the chosen

teacher only is firm. Goutama teaches him the same and Satyakama

receuves it with great reverence. Through this episode the importance

of the chosen teacher is demonstrated.

======================

 

Upakoshala approaches this Satyakama to learn. He serves at his

residence for twelve years. Many other students complete their

education and leave. However, Satyakama does not teach Upakoshala,

Satyakama's wife pleads for teaching Upakoshala. But Satyakama goes

on a journey without heeding his wife's word. Then the three

sacrificial fires viz. Garhapatya, Anvaharyapachana, and Ahavaniya

teach him. The central teaching of these is, the supreme God who is

present in Aditya, in Chandra, in Vidyut is the same one who is

present in these sacrificial fires who are teaching Satyakama. He is

called 'Aham' as none can remain without him. There is no difference

among the various forms of the Supreme God present in different

places. This is the purport of the phrase 'Soham Asmi sa evaham asmi'

in these passages. On his return Satyakama found Upakoshala had

received the necessary knowledge. He asked him to narrate what he had

learnt so far. Upakosha narrated. Then, he told him that he knew the

God present outside. Now I will teach you the God who is present in

your eye. He taught him Vamani and Bhamani forms of the Supreme God

present in the eye................

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advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada>

wrote:

>

> --- "V.Srinivasan" <test0001@u...> wrote:

>

> >

> > --- fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose (Gita)

> > -- Assuming a padmasana pose ( as long as possible )

> > -- chanting one Gayathri slowly for the whole minute

> > (feeling the vibrations while chanting)

> > -- no break for whole three hours.

> >

> > i request your wishes and participation in my quest ...

> >

> > Pranams to advaitins

> > V.Srinivasan

>

Namaste Srinivasan-ji.

 

It is good to see Srinivasan-ji's participation in the advaitin

egroup. He is a key contributor at the Sacramento Satsang (we meet

every friday).

 

Just a couple of pounts.

1. Gita does not prescribe fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose.

Gita says "as if you were fixing the gaze to the tip of the nose".

Sri Sankara's commentary says:

sampreksya, looking svam nasikagram, at tip of his own nose -looking

at it intently, as it were;

[What is sought to be presented here as the primary objective is

the concentration of mind. If the gaze be directed outward, then it

will result in interrupting that concentration. Therefore the

purpose is to first fix the gaze of the eyes within.] If the

intention were merely the looking at the tip of the nose, then the

mind would remain fixed there itself, not on the Self!

2. Remaining in Padmasana pose , chanting Gayatri etc are very good

if they are performed as a means of purifying the mind and not for

personal/worldly motives. Then they would be considered Tapas and

any tapas results in chitta suddhi. Chitta suddhi in turn helps one

towards the goal.

 

Sri Sankara mentions this in Vivekachudamani:

 

So the mind must be earnestly purified by the seeker after

liberation. Once it is purified, the fruit of liberation comes

easily to hand. 181

> Blessed Srinivasan,

>

> I just want to present my understanding.

>

> Frist - we are not longing for some experience - experience is time

> bound. what we are looking for the knowledge of what we experience

> all the time - ourselves.

>

Agreed - we should not be longing for any experience. But as the

Lord eulogies in Gita verses 6.20 to 6.22, the supreme state of Yoga

wherein the self is revealed is presented as a strong motive a

Sadhaka to aspire towards. Also see

advaitin/message/9277

 

Even if the experience is short lived, the purification effect of

such a state is so intense, it is highly recommeneded:

 

Reflection on the Truth is a hundred times superior to hearing.

Meditation on the truth is a hundred thousand times greater than

reflection. Nirvikalpa-samadhi is infinitely superior to that

(Vivekachudamani 365)

 

 

regards

Sundar Rajan

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kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada wrote:

 

What is needed is an iquiry with in

- of the nature of oneself or nature of the reality. Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

-

 

For the benefit of those who may be interested in Sadhana I take liberty in

posting a copy of a letter sent to Shri Krishnan by Shri Venkatram, ( a deciple

of Baba Narmade Har), as follows:

 

-

 

Dear Krishnan,

 

Say within yourself,"I am Atman, Brahman, Pure Conciousness". Go on repeating

this. When you say,"Pure Conciousness", exist as the Conciousness that denies

what was seen in dream inacluding Krishnan,when Krishnan got up from sleep,

during which period 'it' was awake.This discrimination you should go on

making.Recapitulate the dream and say,'No'.In the same way, say 'No'to anything

that appears during such concentration. You should cut out all that you are

not,by saying 'No'when anything cognisable by the mind, eyes etc.,appears to you

during concentration.

 

This concentration,which I am preaching to you,is not on any object or on any

cognisable thing like 'AUM'. It is on Pure Conciousness. Now, how can you

concentrate on Pure Conciousness which has no form?Your saying 'No' to whatever

appears to you in any form is itself that concentration,since Pure Conciousness

is that which excludes everything except itself.

 

Pure Conciousness or Ultimate Truth itself is the witness in you as the cogniser

in a twofold manner.1.the witness in the individual self(Jiva Sakshin)2.the

witness in God(Ishwara Sakshin).

 

As the witness in the individual self you are limited by the mind whereas as

the witness in God you are limited by Cosmic Illusion (Maya). You should

remember that Pure Conciousness alone appears in you as the individual

Conciousness and as the Iswara Conciousness. The individual Conciousness goes on

cutting all that mentally appears to it in some form or other,and when

everything is cut out,it itself automatically becomes its Ishwara Sakshin when,

as Ishwara Sakshin it cognises the Abhaava of all that was cut(i.e.)it is fully

concious of the fact that what all was seen was only an appearance and hence

they did not actually exist.

 

When you have attained to this state of understanding,without much effort you

will realise that the Truth in you is Pure Conciousness and with this

realisation you will exist as Pure Conciousness itself.This has to be obtained

only through Anubhava.

 

It is of course very difficult to get to and exist as Pure Knowledge but if you

practice as I have said here with thorough understanding,you have some day to

exist as Anubhava Vigraha because in reality you are that only.

 

___________________-

 

Hari Om,

 

Swaminarayan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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