Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 sir, i agree that sri ramanujar made the people closer,but if you see his philosophy of worshipping narayana has taken a different shape.we see the acharyas who followed him made the worship of narayana only will take people to heaven.they refused to accept the worship of shiva and other hindu gods.this is totally against the basic principle of advaita.how do you call it better advaita was preached by ramanuja? whereas in kerala all temples are visited by all sections.in tamilnad the followers of ramanuja don't even visit shiva or other temples.they dont accept even vinyaka.is this the philosophy we must follow?do we really require all this philosophies?will not bhagavad gita can be taken as more authentic than these? cdr bvn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 advaitin wrote: 1) the acharyas who followed him made the worship of narayana only will take people to heaven.they refused to accept the worship of shiva and other hindu gods.this is totally against the basic principle of advaita.how do you call it better advaita was preached by ramanuja?cdr bvn Hari Om, Advaita does not mean the worship of Shiva only. This basic misunderstanding has come about because most of ADI SANKARA'S followers claimed it so, after Ramanuja started the vishishtadwaita counter philosophy. Adi Shankara infact installed 5 major dieties and Narayana was one of them. The smarthas as most of the followers of Adi Shankara's Mutts are known, still believe in Narayana. Even before Ramanuja, Alwars had made Vaishnavite mode of Bakhti, a popular following & wide-practice. Ramanuja did focus only on worship of Narayana, more like developing a distinct Brand image for his followers. At the philosophical level, the distinction between Advaita and Vishistadwaita is really subtle and can be comprehended by the erudite scholars only. Most of the society have neither the time or the inclination or the mental strength to follow these philosophies. Like Pure Sciences, it is pursued by the elite only. Most of the others, prefer technology or commerce or fine arts, some even are happy to be ignorant. We as educated people should not exagerrate these different approaches but go for more integration of the Hindu society. Let bygones be bygones. The situation & challenges we face now is different. whereas in kerala all temples are visited by all sections.in tamilnad the followers of ramanuja don't even visit shiva or other temples.they dont accept even vinyaka.is this the philosophy we must follow?do we really require all this philosophies?will not bhagavad gita can be taken as more authentic than these?cdr bvn The serious followers of Ramanuja - "Iyengars" who do not visit Shiva temples are a small fraction in terms of numbers, less than 5%, less than even Muslims. If the rest 95% Hindus do visit Shiva temples, we need to build thousands of them more. Anyway, visiting this or that temple, is not the only form of recommended worship. Infact the Gita does not mention it as a condition. Temples are only social rallying points. There is more merit in the arguement that service of the poor and mental reformation or self -knowledge is more certain way of access to God (which any is supposed to be within) than visiting this or that temple. If we believe other wise, we are going back to times before Adi Shankara. Pranams P.B.V.Rajan Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com Now bid just 7 Days in Advance and get Huge Discounts on Indian Airlines Flights. So log on to http://indianairlines.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 sir, you have misunderstood the whole arguement,what i am trying to say is the advaita philosophy was not for worship of shiva only,but it did not say you should not worship vishnu ie narayana.then where is the question of shankara establishing his mutts for narayana also.i fully agree with you in the approach the of integrating the hindu society.this was the reason the kanchi mutt periaval started the "thirupavai and thiruvembavai movement".i dont think it had the desired effect on the iyengars,who continue to dis-credit the shiva worship.they have even have total control of all vaishnava gods and their worship.as an educated lot for us this does not make any difference,but what about the younger generations,who will question all these things.if we talk about integrating hindus,then we must address this first,ie shiva vishnu worship.now this may look minute but in the longer run this will have an effect on the integration. agreed visiting temples is not the only way to worship,but everyone is not a saint.thanks for your reply. cdr bvnadvaitin, "pbvrajan" <pbvrajan@i...> wrote: > advaitin wrote: > 1) the acharyas who followed him made the worship of narayana only will > take people to heaven.they refused to accept the worship of shiva and > other hindu gods.this is totally against the basic principle of > advaita.how do you call it better advaita was preached by ramanuja? cdr bvn > > > Hari Om, > > > Advaita does not mean the worship of Shiva only. This basic misunderstanding has come about because most of ADI SANKARA'S followers claimed it so, after Ramanuja started the vishishtadwaita counter philosophy. Adi Shankara infact installed 5 major dieties and Narayana was one of them. The smarthas as most of the followers of Adi Shankara's Mutts are known, still believe in Narayana. > > > > Even before Ramanuja, Alwars had made Vaishnavite mode of Bakhti, a popular following & wide-practice. Ramanuja did focus only on worship of Narayana, more like developing a distinct Brand image for his followers. At the philosophical level, the distinction between Advaita and Vishistadwaita is really subtle and can be comprehended by the erudite scholars only. Most of the society have neither the time or the inclination or the mental strength to follow these philosophies. Like Pure Sciences, it is pursued by the elite only. Most of the others, prefer technology or commerce or fine arts, some even are happy to be ignorant. > > > We as educated people should not exagerrate these different approaches but go for more integration of the Hindu society. Let bygones be bygones. The situation & challenges we face now is different. > > > > whereas in kerala all temples are visited by all sections.in tamilnad > the followers of ramanuja don't even visit shiva or other > temples.they dont accept even vinyaka.is this the philosophy we must > follow?do we really require all this philosophies?will not bhagavad > gita can be taken as more authentic than these?cdr bvn > > > > The serious followers of Ramanuja - "Iyengars" who do not visit Shiva temples are a small fraction in terms of numbers, less than 5%, less than even Muslims. If the rest 95% Hindus do visit Shiva temples, we need to build thousands of them more. > > > Anyway, visiting this or that temple, is not the only form of recommended worship. Infact the Gita does not mention it as a condition. Temples are only social rallying points. There is more merit in the arguement that service of the poor and mental reformation or self -knowledge is more certain way of access to God (which any is supposed to be within) than visiting this or that temple. If we believe other wise, we are going back to times before Adi Shankara. > > Pranams > > > P.B.V.Rajan > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com > Buy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.com > Now bid just 7 Days in Advance and get Huge Discounts on Indian Airlines Flights. So log on to http://indianairlines.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 advaitin, "vaidyanathiyer <vaidyanathiyer>" <vaidyanathiyer> wrote: Namaste. If you believe in Gods then for you there are Gods........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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