Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Namaste. He is Dr. Deepak Chopra. A very successful writer commercially who mixes language flourish, Indian thoughts and medicine in right proportions and markets the mixture in chocolate-style wrapping to a greedy readership in the West. He may be irrestible with all this, but why do we have to look at him to understand Awareness? His idea of Awareness is still vague and you can't find the needed methodology in his books. Besides, the feared war is going to be reality only because the parties concerned believe that there is 'only one mind' and that is theirs! PranAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Namaste. advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair>" <madathilnair> wrote: > Namaste. > > He is Dr. Deepak Chopra. > > He may be irrestible with all this, but why do we have to look > at him to understand Awareness? It is because, "Aano bhadrah kritavo yantu vishwatah"... Let noble thoughts come to us from everywhere ... In the spirit of Universality of wisdom even in a cat's meow. >His idea of Awareness is still vague > and you can't find the needed methodology in his books. > Well, I have not read any of his books, but, the synopsis posted earlier states that half of the book covers practical details. > Besides, the feared war is going to be reality only because the > parties concerned believe that there is 'only one mind' and that >is theirs! This tends to become a political approach. Regards, Raghava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Namaste. I have replied you directly as what I have to say does'nt concern the other Members. Madathil Nair __________________________ advaitin, "raghavakaluri <raghavakaluri>" <raghavakaluri> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 Dear and Esteemed Advaitin Members, Namaste. "My mind is rambling; and O Keshava, I behold evil omens." It is very hard to seek Advaitic understanding while much of the time one is feeling heart-broken about the prospect of war equally as much as one is worried over the dire consequences of inaction. It is difficult or impossible for me to meditate these days although I know the only solution lies in the spiritual. Thus it is that I am deeply conflicted over the dreadful situation and I would be surprised if the rest of our members did not share something of the same feeling. On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 05:00:03 -0000, raghavakaluri <raghavakaluri <raghavakaluri wrote: > advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair > <madathilnair>" <madathilnair> wrote: >> His idea of Awareness is still vague and you can't find the needed >> methodology in his books. >> > Well, I have not read any of his books, but, the synopsis posted earlier > states that half of the book covers practical details. Dr. Chopra's method reminds me of the introductory lectures to Transcendental Meditation which I heard many years ago. They are replete with tangential approaches to the subject but for the full picture one must apply to the teacher with offerings in hand. Unfortunately we don't have that luxury of business-as-usual in the present instance. >> Besides, the feared war is going to be reality only because the parties >> concerned believe that there is 'only one mind' and that is theirs! > > This tends to become a political approach. How can we articulate an approach that is neither escapist (for which Sri Madathil rightly faults Dr. Chopra) nor partisan political? When I was in college in the 1960s I felt it incumbent upon myself to oppose the Vietnam War. Like many young people at the time I was interested in the teachings of the East, particularly the holy Bhagavad Gita, but I was never able to find support in the Gita for the non-violent position I wished to articulate. Most unwillingly I felt compelled to take sides. Now, three decades later, I understand the problem no better than I did then. Perhaps the help of the moderators and our love for one another may enable us to approach this matter in a manner that will be productive of the spiritual insight that will lift us out of this dreadful despondency. Pranaams, Shivaram -- "0 my Naren, are you still not convinced? He who was Rama and Krishna is now Ramakrishna - but not in your Vedantic sense!" - Sri Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 advaitin, Shivaram <conte@i...> wrote: > Dear and Esteemed Advaitin Members, > > Namaste. > > "My mind is rambling; and O Keshava, I behold evil omens." > > It is very hard to seek Advaitic understanding while much of the time one > is feeling heart-broken about the prospect of war equally as much as one is > worried over the dire consequences of inaction- but not in your Vedantic sense!" - Sri Ramakrishna Namaste, Chopra is good for the 'Pop', culture and those that want to try and understand a little Vedanta written in a western way. This is why he is so successful. However I doubt he is realised so cannot teach the ultimate from experience. He is a little vague in his books, but look at his audience vague vague, monkey minds. I was talking to my daughter the other night and she said 'can you feel it?' That is the negative atmosphere prevalent on the planet right now. I said yes I could. If the war happens it is karmic, only the Goddess with Grace can change her own dream. The Gita's war is about internal battles to realisation. Most westerners don't see that. I'm afraid the amount of awareness needed to fully understand Vedanta takes a lot of time, study, reading and absorption plus Grace. When one feels so negative and it is hard to meditate, I do the sarvana asana pose and then go into yoga nidra, the meditation continues in the mind anyway.......ONS.....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 advaitin, Shivaram <conte@i...> wrote: > "My mind is rambling; and O Keshava, I behold evil omens." > > It is very hard to seek Advaitic understanding while much of the time one > is feeling heart-broken about the prospect of war equally as much as one is > worried over the dire consequences of inaction. Namaste, Swami Rama Tirtha: http://www.ramatirtha.org/ " Rama's Clarion Call Wanted —Reformers Not of others but of themselves, Who have won Not university distinctions, But victory over the local self. Age —The youth of Divine joy. Salary —Godhead. Apply Sharp—With no begging solicitation but commanding decision to the Director of the Universe, Your own Self. Om! Om! Om! " ======================================================== His complete works are online at: http://www.ramatirtha.org/freebooks.htm Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:16:48 -0000, Tony O'Clery <aoclery <aoclery wrote: > Chopra is good for the 'Pop', culture and those that want to try and > understand a little Vedanta written in a western way. This is why he is > so successful. However I doubt he is realised so cannot teach the > ultimate from experience. He is a little vague in his books, but look at > his audience vague vague, monkey minds. Again I recall the early days of TM - everyone must needs start somewhere, so I won't gainsay the popularizers of Vedanta. I myself have been a beneficiary. > I was talking to my daughter the other night and she said 'can you feel > it?' That is the negative atmosphere prevalent on the planet right now. I > said yes I could. As can I. I always knew amulets, astrological remedies and incense wouldn't go very far to relieve the burdens of this life and its eventual dissolution, so I invested myself in meditation. But this crisis and ongoing tribulation since 9/11 has served to reveal the shallowness of even that undertaking. It is painfully evident how necessary is a deeper release from the whole burden of worldliness. > If the war happens it is karmic, only the Goddess with Grace can change > her own dream. The Gita's war is about internal battles to realisation. > Most westerners don't see that. I'm afraid the amount of awareness needed > to fully understand Vedanta takes a lot of time, study, reading and > absorption plus Grace. Grace - the only word that lights a spark of hope. Grace alone moves freely when there is no way or reason to still the restlessness and torment of the mind. Thank you for setting it before us. Pranaams, Shivaram -- "0 my Naren, are you still not convinced? He who was Rama and Krishna is now Ramakrishna - but not in your Vedantic sense!" - Sri Ramakrishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2003 Report Share Posted February 10, 2003 Namaste, Dear and Esteemed Sri Sunder, Thank you for offering these links. I have begun reading the books and find it is a most worthwhile undertaking in the present circumstances. Pranaams, Shivaram On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:45:45 -0000, Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh <sunderh wrote: > Namaste, > > Swami Rama Tirtha: > > http://www.ramatirtha.org/ > His complete works are online at: > http://www.ramatirtha.org/freebooks.htm > > Regards, > Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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