Blessed are the Peacemakers?

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Good Evening Shivaram,

As Sri Ram advises, it is time to put this to rest and

be silent.

 

I look forward to returning to a discussion on

Shankara's teaching in the near future,

 

Thank you for your insights,

 

 

Ken Knight

--- Shivaram <conte wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:14:42 -0800 (PST), ken knight

> <hilken_98

> wrote:

>

> > Namaste Shivaram and Tony,

>

> > Some ventured far out into a second

> > field while a few ventured even further.

> > I would put de Mello, Pannikar and others in that

> > second field.

>

> Clearly, they are/were somewhere on a continuum and

> the notes of their

> journeyings are of great value to other travelers.

>

> > Only we, in our appearance as

> > individuals, can observe the intentions in

> ourselves.

> > That of 'others' is for them to see.

>

> This is on the subjective level, a trackless realm.

> My intention was to

> supply an objective landmark, a point of reference

> with regard to a

> religious institution. The Catholic Church has

> either missed Father

> Panikkar's work (not likely) or else finds it more

> in accord with its

> orthodoxy than is the case with Father Tony de

> Mello's. To return to my

> original observation, pure advaita is not compatible

> with Christian

> orthodoxy. The Vatican censors said it well in

> their condemnation of

> Father Tony's teaching:

>

> >> In

> >> place of the revelation which has come in the

> person of Jesus Christ, he

> >> substitutes an intuition of God without form or

> image, to the point of

> >> speaking of God as a pure void.  To see God it

> is enough to look

> >> directly at

> >> the world.  Nothing can be said about God; the

> only knowing is

> >> unknowing. . . .

> >> With the present Notification, in order to

> protect

> >> the good of the Christian faithful, this

> Congregation declares that

> >> the above-mentioned positions are incompatible

> with the Catholic faith

> >> and can cause grave harm.

>

> > I do not think that I have any more to say on this

> > thread but my intention is clear, my context is

> one of

> > pain when I hear or see people denying the value

> of

> > the lives of others and my intention is to seek

> union,

>

> Yesterday you characterized my words as nonsense. I

> don't think that's

> fair or accurate. Advaita is indeed incompatible

> with orthodox

> Christianity and it's concepts are alien to an

> orthodox interpretation of

> the Bible, as even a cursory reading of the

> Vatican's condemnations of the

> Asian Theologians will show.

>

> And now today you imply I'm causing pain by denying

> the value of someone's

> life as you go about seeking union. Ken-ji, I think

> you should honor that

> pain and recognize the realities of the situation.

> For me, the moment of

> pain came when I learned of the Vatican's

> condemnation of Father Tony, whom

> I dearly loved. But the pain also brought

> realization: Rome is not

> Rishikesh, the Tiber is not the Ganges. "A

> different god, a different

> mountain top".

>

> Pranaams,

>

> Shivaram

>

 

 

 

 

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