Guest guest Posted February 11, 2003 Report Share Posted February 11, 2003 Shanti "Shanti" , Correspondences can be made with Kshara, Akshara and Purushottama as states of consciousness, and what is been quoted here: «««« .... Every world can be subdivided into other worlds or spheres of existence; therefore mention is made of three, five, seven and even ten worlds; the number is of little importance, it depends upon the point of view from which one wishes to examine things. .......... .... we can say with the Upanisad: «All this is surely Brahman. This atman is Brahman and atman has four quarters (padas). «The first quarter (pada) is vaisvanara, whose sphere (of action) is the waking state... «The second quarter (pada) is taijasa (the luminous), whose sphere of action is the state of dreaming... «The third quarter (pada) is prajna, whose sphere of action is deep sleep... «The sage believe that the Fourth... is invisible, non-acting...» . The Mandukya is defined as that Upanisad which alone synthesizes the whole of Vedanta teaching. We find in it the enunciation of the three states of Being as well as the Fourth which refers to the metaphysical and transcendent state. .......... The entity-jiva-prajna manifests itself upon the existential level of Being, of Isvara; this is the Brahmaloka level, the abode of Brahmaa, where multiplicity dissolves into unity. In it we can see how the three states are but one having different modes of expression; in it there are no distinctions, there is no duality, there is no opposition. He who discovers this condition has the privilege of seeing the unity of life, of understanding how consciousness has become so vast as to embrace the whole of existence. The entities and the planes are not without but within oneself, because there is no without and therefore no within. Oneness is, and it is everywhere in its indivisibility. Prajna is assimilated to deep dreamless sleep, because in prajna everything goes back to silence, to non-becoming, to non-motion. Therefore, waking, dreaming and deep dreamless sleep correspond to vaisvanara, taijasa and prajna, and as waking, dreaming and deep sleep are experienced by a sole witness. So vaisvanara, the gross state, taijasa, the subtle state and prajna, the germinal state, are all experienced by one and the same witness (saksin), the only real and constant factor, while the three states appear and disappear. This witness, also called avasthatraya saksin (witness of the three states) is a reflection, on the plane of the manifest, of the transcendent Brahman-atman (the Fourth) beyond the three states, while at the same time permeating them. »»»» Correspondences can be made with Kshara, Akshara and Purushottama as states of consciousness. Shanti, Carlo Frua Quoted from: Raphael The Pathway of Non-duality Ch. The Three States of Being Motilal Banarsidass, Delhi 1992 There is MEDITATION on Gaudapada's MANDUKYAKARIKA at http://www.vidya-ashramvidyaorder.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 praNAms Hare Krishna Sometime back when I was personally interacting with Sri Sadananda prabhuji for the clarification regarding Shvetaashvata Upanishad verse : ekOdevaH sarva bhuuteshhu guuDhaH....kevalo nirguNashcha , he has clarified his stand about multiple jivas. With sadananda prabhuji's kind permission, I am sending his reply to the list for the benefit of other members : Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar //quote// In all beings, hidden is only ekaH devaH. The mantra says - manifestations are many but there is only one enlivening factor - devaH is ekaH - jiiva is qualified consciousness - that is gaNa lakshaNa - whereas the one that upanishad is referring to kevalo nirguNaH ca -(that which is pure beyond any qualifications) since guNa are qualities measured at the level of mind and intellect - they beclong to perceved manefestations or objective world. Objects alone has qualifications - visheshhaNa - the subject 'I' cannot have qualifications. I is beyond qualifications - sat - chit and ananda aspects of I are not qualifications or visheshhaNa but they are swaruupa lakshaNa - just as H2O is not a qualification of water but its swaruupa lakshaNa. that is is colorless, odorless, tasteless etc are qualifications and do not define water swaruupa or intrinsic nature of water. The sloka is emphasizing that there is one entity - ekaH devaH - that which is kevala niruguNaH - and is the indweller of all beings as their essence - is is guuDaH - is secret or not directly -perceivable since it is the very subject which cannot be objectified. If there are multiple jiiva-s then each jiiva is different from the other. The differences rest in terms of qualifications since only on the basis of qualifications one can distinguish one jiiva from the other. If they are identically the same in all respects then they are indistinguishable and if they are together there is no way to separate one from the other - one one ends and the other starts - How does jiiva know where it ends and other starts. In addition jiiva can know itself since it is self-conscious entity - but how does it know other jiiva where there are no distinguishing marks to identify the other from itself. Swaruupa lakshaNa of jiiva is sat chit and ananda aspect - Cit and sat cannot be distinguishing features one jiiva to other. Consciousness cannot be an object of another consciousness. - Hence sat and consciousness which are the same are indivisible and unlimited - hence ananda aspect also comes in - Sat eva saumya .... Chaper of Ch. Up emphasizes essentially this aspect and is extensively analyzed in the notes on B. Sutra. Bhagavaan Ramaanuja and Madhava provide obviously different interpretations - Advaitic interpretation, in my opinion, is more scientific and logical. //unquote// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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