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Hello friends,

 

I have read with interest the postings on Sri Gopeshwar and then about

Pranas not leaving bodies of Siddha Purushas. My responses are given below,

after the relevant postings.

 

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"Ram Chandran <rchandran" <rchandran

>Re: Gopeshwara Temple

>

Note: Though the story is beautiful and quite believable for a

>dedicated Krishna devotee, it is not authentic!

 

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The story is indeed beautiful and the message comes through.Whether it is

authentic or not is unimportant. Most of the stories in Puranas are

recounting of the past events (if at all) and some creative narrations, to

get a point across. In fact, mythology and 'myth' share the same root. And

atleast now a days, myth is used as synonym for fiction. So, authenticity

is in my humble opinion, not that important. It brings out succinctly the

Oneness of Siva and Vishnu. They worship each other. And let us worship

both of them!

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Message: 8

> Wed, 05 Feb 2003 01:45:34 -0000

> "vaidyanathiyer <vaidyanathiyer"

<vaidyanathiyer

>Re: samadhi

>

>dear sir,

>i am not a expert to interpret the upanishads.however,what you say is

>true,ie after the jiva attains mukti it merges with paramatma.what i

>ment by the pranas does not leave the body,it comes to the help of

>all devotees just like any other god comes.like shirdi saibaba

>said "my tomb will respond to all quieries".also the great saint

>raghavendra came out of his brindavan at mantralayam to speak to a

>british collector, the britisher was shocked to hear that the saint

>attained samadhi 200 years back it is recorded in the madras

>gazzete.the great siddas continue to come to the help of their

>disiples/devotees,when ever they remember them,as it will be

>convenient for all to understand.i shall be greatful if any one can

>throw more light in this.

>

>pranams

>

>cdr bvnadvaitin, Swaminarayan T

><tvswaminarayan> wrote:

>>

>>

>> "vaidyanathiyer <vaidyanathiyer>" <vaidyanathiyer>

>wrote:

>> friends,

>> i read in a book,"pranas of famous siddhas do not leave the

>> body'.this is also told in brhadaranyaka.upanishad.

>>

>> -------

>>

>> Dear Shri Vaaidyanathiyer,

>>

>> It will be nice if you can elaborate with proper references on your

>understanding that Brahadaranyaka upanishad tells us that the prana

>of siddhaas stay put in this prapancha.

>>

>> A siddha is a human being who by virtue of some inherent reason or

>practice in this mortal world is able to exhibit some unusual

>qualities that are not normally found in other human beings . We

>should pause for a while here and understand that all such powers or

>qualities are relevent only to this Vyavaharika Prapancha and are

>totally useless for the attainment of 'Mukti' 'which is, in fact, the

>goal of all human beings in Life.

>>

>> It is when the Prana detaches from the human Body that the body is

>said to have perished and is fit to be burnt and got rid of. After

>the disposal of the body of the siddha there is nothing left over ,

>is it not?

>>

>> One should realise that Prana is Ishwara and has no particular

>special connction with individual jivas even if that particular jiva

>was a siddha.

>>

>> Hari Om!

>>

>> Swaminarayan

 

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I tend to agree with Shri Vaidyantah Iyer. What he probably meant is that

while the ordinary Pranas do merge with Iswara on attaining 'Mukti', siddha

purushas do retain the consciousness of their previous identity and are

'alive' in a higher plane after shedding the physical body. So, when their

devotees remember them and request their help, they are able to act either

on the mental plane of the devotee and give him/her solace and courage to

face problems and give solutions to problems or in exceptional

circumstances, the Siddha Purushas do build temporary energy bodies and

'manifest' themselves to specifically carry out some physical jobs. As Shri

Iyer rightly mentioned, Shri Shirdi Sai Baba, Sri Raghavendra Swamy etc.,

belong to that class. And Shri Mahavatar Babaji's 'miracles' are well

documented by Sri Paramahansa Yogananda in his wonderful book

"Autobiography of a Yogi". God and God's true bhaktas have full control

over energy and matter.

 

Sri Shankara left his body behind and temporarily entered the body of a

king (again the authenticity of this story is disputed but many of

Shankara's devotees do believe this). When questioned about the technique

by his disciples he is supposed to have explained the nature of the ten

pranas, five major and five minor. Prana, Apana, Samana, Udana etc. are the

five major pranas and 5 minor pranas including Dhananjaya are supposed to

keep the physical body alive. It seems Dhananjaya is the last one to leave

the physical body after which decay starts. So, if Dhananjaya is left

behind, the body doesn't decay physically it seems. In the case of Sri Sai

Baba of Shirdi and in the case of Sri Paramahansa Yogananda, it was

chronicled by 'sceptical' westerners that the physical body showed no signs

of decay or rigidity even after many hours(nearly 30 hours or so in each

case). So, I submit that science has still many puzzles to solve. And true

scientific approach consists in accepting the facts and trying to unravel

them.

 

Thanks for the satsang.

 

s.v.swamy

 

P.S: In case, I have digressed from the topic of the list, my apologies.

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Namaste:

 

I agree that for acceptance of a story, faith is much more important

than authencity. My reference was with respect to the known puranas

and upapuranas compiled by Sage Vyasa. This is story was not part of

those puranas and the story is infact beautiful. As a matter of fact,

every temple of ancient times comes with a Sthalapurana and stories

related to the Sthalapuranas always come with a powerful message.

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts,

 

Ram Chandran

 

advaitin, "S.V.SWAMY" <swamy@n...> wrote:

> Hello friends,

>

> I have read with interest the postings on Sri Gopeshwar and

> ...........

> The story is indeed beautiful and the message comes through.Whether

it is

> authentic or not is unimportant. Most of the stories in Puranas are

> recounting of the past events (if at all) and some creative

narrations, to

> get a point across. ........

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