Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Hello friends, I have read with interest the postings on Sri Gopeshwar and then about Pranas not leaving bodies of Siddha Purushas. My responses are given below, after the relevant postings. --------- "Ram Chandran <rchandran" <rchandran >Re: Gopeshwara Temple > Note: Though the story is beautiful and quite believable for a >dedicated Krishna devotee, it is not authentic! --------------------- The story is indeed beautiful and the message comes through.Whether it is authentic or not is unimportant. Most of the stories in Puranas are recounting of the past events (if at all) and some creative narrations, to get a point across. In fact, mythology and 'myth' share the same root. And atleast now a days, myth is used as synonym for fiction. So, authenticity is in my humble opinion, not that important. It brings out succinctly the Oneness of Siva and Vishnu. They worship each other. And let us worship both of them! ----------------------- Message: 8 > Wed, 05 Feb 2003 01:45:34 -0000 > "vaidyanathiyer <vaidyanathiyer" <vaidyanathiyer >Re: samadhi > >dear sir, >i am not a expert to interpret the upanishads.however,what you say is >true,ie after the jiva attains mukti it merges with paramatma.what i >ment by the pranas does not leave the body,it comes to the help of >all devotees just like any other god comes.like shirdi saibaba >said "my tomb will respond to all quieries".also the great saint >raghavendra came out of his brindavan at mantralayam to speak to a >british collector, the britisher was shocked to hear that the saint >attained samadhi 200 years back it is recorded in the madras >gazzete.the great siddas continue to come to the help of their >disiples/devotees,when ever they remember them,as it will be >convenient for all to understand.i shall be greatful if any one can >throw more light in this. > >pranams > >cdr bvnadvaitin, Swaminarayan T ><tvswaminarayan> wrote: >> >> >> "vaidyanathiyer <vaidyanathiyer>" <vaidyanathiyer> >wrote: >> friends, >> i read in a book,"pranas of famous siddhas do not leave the >> body'.this is also told in brhadaranyaka.upanishad. >> >> ------- >> >> Dear Shri Vaaidyanathiyer, >> >> It will be nice if you can elaborate with proper references on your >understanding that Brahadaranyaka upanishad tells us that the prana >of siddhaas stay put in this prapancha. >> >> A siddha is a human being who by virtue of some inherent reason or >practice in this mortal world is able to exhibit some unusual >qualities that are not normally found in other human beings . We >should pause for a while here and understand that all such powers or >qualities are relevent only to this Vyavaharika Prapancha and are >totally useless for the attainment of 'Mukti' 'which is, in fact, the >goal of all human beings in Life. >> >> It is when the Prana detaches from the human Body that the body is >said to have perished and is fit to be burnt and got rid of. After >the disposal of the body of the siddha there is nothing left over , >is it not? >> >> One should realise that Prana is Ishwara and has no particular >special connction with individual jivas even if that particular jiva >was a siddha. >> >> Hari Om! >> >> Swaminarayan ------------------- I tend to agree with Shri Vaidyantah Iyer. What he probably meant is that while the ordinary Pranas do merge with Iswara on attaining 'Mukti', siddha purushas do retain the consciousness of their previous identity and are 'alive' in a higher plane after shedding the physical body. So, when their devotees remember them and request their help, they are able to act either on the mental plane of the devotee and give him/her solace and courage to face problems and give solutions to problems or in exceptional circumstances, the Siddha Purushas do build temporary energy bodies and 'manifest' themselves to specifically carry out some physical jobs. As Shri Iyer rightly mentioned, Shri Shirdi Sai Baba, Sri Raghavendra Swamy etc., belong to that class. And Shri Mahavatar Babaji's 'miracles' are well documented by Sri Paramahansa Yogananda in his wonderful book "Autobiography of a Yogi". God and God's true bhaktas have full control over energy and matter. Sri Shankara left his body behind and temporarily entered the body of a king (again the authenticity of this story is disputed but many of Shankara's devotees do believe this). When questioned about the technique by his disciples he is supposed to have explained the nature of the ten pranas, five major and five minor. Prana, Apana, Samana, Udana etc. are the five major pranas and 5 minor pranas including Dhananjaya are supposed to keep the physical body alive. It seems Dhananjaya is the last one to leave the physical body after which decay starts. So, if Dhananjaya is left behind, the body doesn't decay physically it seems. In the case of Sri Sai Baba of Shirdi and in the case of Sri Paramahansa Yogananda, it was chronicled by 'sceptical' westerners that the physical body showed no signs of decay or rigidity even after many hours(nearly 30 hours or so in each case). So, I submit that science has still many puzzles to solve. And true scientific approach consists in accepting the facts and trying to unravel them. Thanks for the satsang. s.v.swamy P.S: In case, I have digressed from the topic of the list, my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Namaste: I agree that for acceptance of a story, faith is much more important than authencity. My reference was with respect to the known puranas and upapuranas compiled by Sage Vyasa. This is story was not part of those puranas and the story is infact beautiful. As a matter of fact, every temple of ancient times comes with a Sthalapurana and stories related to the Sthalapuranas always come with a powerful message. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Ram Chandran advaitin, "S.V.SWAMY" <swamy@n...> wrote: > Hello friends, > > I have read with interest the postings on Sri Gopeshwar and > ........... > The story is indeed beautiful and the message comes through.Whether it is > authentic or not is unimportant. Most of the stories in Puranas are > recounting of the past events (if at all) and some creative narrations, to > get a point across. ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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