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Please see my two comments below marked by ***.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

advaitin, Gregory Goode

<goode@D...> wrote:

> > > It is the assumption that nondual

consciousness is a real and independent thing that

makes us want to assure ourselves that everyone is

talking about the *same* thing.

 

 

***Hi Greg, one could say that this is only your

assumption.

 

 

You further write:

> It's very much like the physical objects you talk

about not really existing externally. I agree on

that. And for the same reason, other than in the most

conventional sense, there is *no* object, especially

nondual consciousness-that-is-objectless, which two

people ever both grasp. No object is ever really and

truly present such that two people, or one person, or

two thoughts, or even one thought, really refer to it.

How much less so grasped is that which, in advaita,

is the nature of all? We cannot comprehend, that

which in the vastest sense, comprehends us...

>

> Om!

>

> --Greg

 

 

 

***Greg, you conclude that, "We cannot comprehend,

that which in the vastest sense, comprehends us..."

 

Although what you state may be taken as a provisional

truth or teaching at some level, the dichotomy

postulated has absolutely no foundation in Advaita.

 

Advaita is quite direct and states "Aham Brahmasmi! (I

am Brahman)".

 

The notion of comprehension or incomprehension is

completely moot here. Advaita is crystal clear. Atman

Is Brahman.

 

The complete identity of Atman and Brahman is the very

heart of Advaita.

 

This testimony of the sages is based on direct

knowledge.

 

Knower of Brahman becomes Brahman. What remains to be

comprehend or not comprehend and by who?

 

Love,

Harsha

 

 

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At 02:41 AM 3/19/03 +0000, harshaimtm wrote:

>Please see my two comments below marked by ***.

>

>Love to all

>Harsha

>

>advaitin, Gregory Goode

><goode@D...> wrote:

>

>> > > It is the assumption that nondual

>consciousness is a real and independent thing that

>makes us want to assure ourselves that everyone is

>talking about the *same* thing.

>

>

>***Hi Greg, one could say that this is only your

>assumption.

 

 

It is not a thing - as Brahman, it is the sum and substance of all things. So

any talking talks about it, yet it can never be separately pointed to. Brahman

has no markers....

 

>***Greg, you conclude that, "We cannot comprehend,

>that which in the vastest sense, comprehends us..."

 

H:

Although what you state may be taken as a provisional

truth or teaching at some level, the dichotomy

postulated has absolutely no foundation in Advaita.

 

G:

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, it sounds cockeyed, Advaitically unfounded, and

very provisional! That's what comes from my trying to speak in Benjamin's

terms! Have you read his messages? He is trying to comprehend the whole, as

*Benjamin*. This can never happen. Indeed, he seesm to be seeking the

experience of comprehending another person's consciousness from his own vantage

point, or some combination or ascended viewpoint - which is what set this

discussion in motion in first place.

 

The knowingness and the identity of Atman and Brahman is already the case!

 

Love,

 

--Greg

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Dear Greg and Benjamin,

 

Yes, I have not followed the thread carefully so hope my comment was not

off mark. Benjamin is right in that I am not a philosophical scholar

(but still like to dabble a bit so I appreciate the indulgence!).

 

I enjoyed much Sri Ramji's eloquent logic combining scriptural axioms

with the self evident fact of individual existence to conclude that "I

alone exist as Brahman!"

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

Gregory Goode wrote:

>

> The knowingness and the identity of Atman and Brahman is already the case!

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

>

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At 10:37 AM 3/19/03 -0500, Harsha wrote:

>Dear Greg and Benjamin,

>

>Yes, I have not followed the thread carefully so hope my comment was not

>off mark. Benjamin is right in that I am not a philosophical scholar

>(but still like to dabble a bit so I appreciate the indulgence!).

>

>I enjoyed much Sri Ramji's eloquent logic combining scriptural axioms

>with the self evident fact of individual existence to conclude that "I

>alone exist as Brahman!"

 

Dear Harsha,

 

:-)

 

Yes, I too like Ramji's positive tone too. I think this tone and skill at

moderation has made this one of the more well-mannered lists on the net.

 

--Greg

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