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Namaste Sri Michael

 

"For instance, a red flower near a colourless crystal makes it appear as red.

The red flower is called an 'upadhi' for the crystal. Similarly the body-mind

complex is an upadhi for the Atman (the individual soul) making it appear as

the jiva (the limited transmigrating self) and the world is an upadhi for

Brahman, the Absolute, who has nothing to do with creation."

 

This is the part I don't understand in Advaita. Brahman is the Universe. All is

Brahman. The invidual Jivatman is the same as the Paramatman which is also

Brahman. The universe is Brahman. But Brahman is not the reason for creation ?

 

Om Tat Sat

 

Guru Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, Guru Venkat <v_vedanti> wrote:

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> Namaste Sri Michael

>

> "For instance, a red flower near a colourless crystal makes it

appear as red. The red flower is called an 'upadhi' for the

crystal. Similarly the body-mind complex is an upadhi for the Atman

(the individual soul) making it appear as the jiva (the limited

transmigrating self) and the world is an upadhi for Brahman, the

Absolute, who has nothing to do with creation."

>

> This is the part I don't understand in Advaita. Brahman is the

Universe. All is Brahman. The invidual Jivatman is the same as the

Paramatman which is also Brahman. The universe is Brahman. But

Brahman is not the reason for creation ?

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

> Guru Venkat

 

Namaste,

 

You are not distinguishing between Saguna and Nirguna Brahman that's

all. Immanent and Transcendant.......ONS...Tony.

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Namaskar,

 

" This is the part I don't understand in Advaita. Brahman is the

Universe. All is Brahman. The invidual Jivatman is the same as the

Paramatman which is also Brahman. The universe is Brahman. But

Brahman is not the reason for creation ?

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

> Guru Venkat

 

Namaste,

 

You are not distinguishing between Saguna and Nirguna Brahman that's

all. Immanent and Transcendant.......ONS...Tony."

 

When asked about the world, it is said 'Brahma Satyam Jagan Mityam' . But to

explain the world we bring in Saguna Brahman. Isn't this contradictory ?

 

Om Tat Sat

 

Guru Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

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advaitin, Guru Venkat <v_vedanti> wrote:

>

> Namaskar,

>

> " This is the part I don't understand in Advaita. Brahman is the

> Universe. All is Brahman. The invidual Jivatman is the same as the

> Paramatman which is also Brahman. The universe is Brahman. But

> Brahman is not the reason for creation ?

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> > Guru Venkat

>

> Namaste,

>

> You are not distinguishing between Saguna and Nirguna Brahman

that's

> all. Immanent and Transcendant.......ONS...Tony."

>

> When asked about the world, it is said 'Brahma Satyam Jagan

Mityam' . But to explain the world we bring in Saguna Brahman. Isn't

this contradictory ?

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

> Guru Venkat

 

Namaste,

 

There is only Nirguna Brahman. Saguna is the description of Brahman

associated with 'Creation', which in itself never happened!!!!! and

is a dream. There is nothing contradictory........ONS....Tony.

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Namaste Sri Tony,

 

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" When asked about the world, it is said 'Brahma Satyam Jagan

Mityam' . But to explain the world we bring in Saguna Brahman. Isn't

this contradictory ?

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

> Guru Venkat

 

Namaste,

 

There is only Nirguna Brahman. Saguna is the description of Brahman

associated with 'Creation', which in itself never happened!!!!! and

is a dream. There is nothing contradictory........ONS....Tony."

 

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Thanks for the reply.

 

I think total rejection of Saguna is wrong. It is wrong because while you are in

it you see it, experience it until total realisation dawns in. Even the realised

souls continue their existence after seeing the truth . Why din't they just lie

down and rest their Jiva and merge with the Parabrahman ? Why should they

continue to exist in what is not true ? It's only that they know the unreality

of it. So to deny it totally will be denying the Self itself. And there need not

be any Dharma to be followed since nobody is really suffering!!

 

I agree with the part where you say creation never happened. It could'nt have

happened because , for something to happen it must at some point be in an

'un-happened' state, and that never was. It's just an infinite circle with no

starting point.

 

But this is just my understanding with what little I've read. I know I may be

quite wrong and will keep looking for the truth.

 

Om Tat Sat

 

Guru Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

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