Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Thanks Sri Sadanandaji RAMASUBRAMANIAN > >Now look at this more carefully – what we can perceive through senses >are only attributes or qualities and not substantive. The mind >integrates the input from all senses and in the image in the mind - it >imposes all other attributes and say the object is out there with these >attributes. But senses cannot perceive the substantive, and only >qualities – and qualities are not the object – although object has >qualities. But sans the mind – I cannot independently establish the >existence of the object out there – hence notion that object out three >that is dRisyam – is only notion in the mind. Seer and seen both are >nothing but consciousness that I am – and there is no real object out >there. Second if there is real object out there then we have two >realities – one Brahman and the second the object – that is against the >Upanishadic statement ‘sat chit ananda alone is real. > > >Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. >Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ >To Post a message send an email to : advaitin >Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _____________________ Odomos - the only mosquito protection outside 4 walls - Click here to know more! http://r.rediff.com/r?http://clients.rediff.com/odomos/Odomos.htm&&odomos&&wn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 ">Now look at this more carefully - what we can perceive through senses >are only attributes or qualities and not substantive. The mind >integrates the input from all senses and in the image in the mind - it >imposes all other attributes and say the object is out there with these >attributes. But senses cannot perceive the substantive, and only >qualities - and qualities are not the object - although object has >qualities. But sans the mind - I cannot independently establish the >existence of the object out there - hence notion that object out three >that is dRisyam - is only notion in the mind. Seer and seen both are >nothing but consciousness that I am - and there is no real object out >there. Second if there is real object out there then we have two >realities - one Brahman and the second the object - that is against the >Upanishadic statement 'sat chit ananda alone is real." Namaste, What I've read and what I believe is that there is really something out there. God created humans in a later stage..ie after he has created the five elements. All that we see around us is a combination of the five elements. This is what I believe is written in the Holy Scriptures. Since we are late-comers in this Universe, how can we say that our mind can create all that is present outside? We can certainly say that what we see is not really what the object is. ie, we are not seeing the real world. We are seeing a blinking world, and our perception is distorted. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Om ranjeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 --- Ranjeet Sankar_s <thefinalsearch wrote: > > Namaste, > What I've read and what I believe is that there is really something > out > there. Please correct me if > I'm > wrong. ranjeet - What you seen need not be real - scripture or science provides sometimes different picture from what I conclude based on perception. This is what adhyaasa - or error of superimposition is all about. There is an extensive discussion of this subject in the Notes to Brahmasuutra in the stored file - I think Ch. III provides that description. I strongly advise you is to study that and if there are any further questions we can address those. Hari OM! Sadananda ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 Namaste Sadanandaji, I'll refer the text which you have mentioned. Om ranjeet - kuntimaddi sadananda There is an extensive discussion of this subject in the Notes to Brahmasuutra in the stored file - I think Ch. III provides that description. I strongly advise you is to study that and if there are any further questions we can address those. Hari OM! Sadananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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