Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Vaidyanathiyer has put in words the very thoughts which were experienced while going through this news. Yes, It is disappointing. But, I can understand SriVaishnavaits feeling, because they are proud / possessive of their traditions - especially Tirumala. If you see various comments frequently, You will not fail to observe a pattern here. Almost all major issues when Kanchi Seer makes a comment, there will be a comment 'qualifying' that by a SriVaishnava traditional authorities. This happened more prominently when Kanchi Seer criticized DMK leader for having made certain uncharitable comments about the practice of 'visarjan' (immersion) of the idols after the pooja for ganapathy. Sri. Ramanujam Thatachar sided with DMK leader, to the amusement of the non-belivers. Maybe, the whole exercise is an ideological possessiveness or, much worse. Advaita is not equal to Saivam. This simple truth should be known to all - especially religious heads. Sri Adishankara is the person who formulated the temple procedures for Sri Guruvayoor temple of Vishnu amongst others. (This is the reason why Guruvayoor temple is not as revered by Sri Vaishnavaits as Tirumala). I think true Advaitin should ignore these. Satchitanadam! jayaram advaitin [advaitin] 23 April 2003 18:01 advaitin Digest Number 1694 Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages ------ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. temples and treditions "vaidyanathiyer" <vaidyanathiyer ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:39:12 -0000 "vaidyanathiyer" <vaidyanathiyer temples and treditions TEMPLES AND TREDITIONS There was an article in the newspaper about kanchi seer interfering in the traditions of thirumala temple. The Vaishnava head china jeeyar had asked the kanchi seer to keep away from commenting on thirumala temples as he does not belong to Vaishnava traditions. I think we must keep the temples out of all these controversies. There are many people who come and worship here. They do not belong to any particular tradition say Saiva or Vaishnava. All these philosophies should be restricted to only discussions and to individual mutts. The heads of mutts should not insist on a particular tradition to be followed in temples. For eg the thirumala temple is visited by all. The sankaracharyas of sringeri have sung in praise of lord venkateshvara also. It is not correct to say that the followers of these mutt are saivites. God is neither saivite or vaishnavaite. He has no religious sect it is only we try to see him differently. The advaita philosophy does not prohibit anyone worshipping other gods then why create this controvercy of savate and vaishnavaite.the money collected in thirumala temple is not only from vaishnavaites and the jeer has no right to comment on the traditions. Leave it to the people who come for worship there. ______________________ ______________________ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed. In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety. Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted an identity established for the God! He could have very well said that there was no distinction between the Gods. > Advaita is not equal to Saivam. I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. Om Tat Sat G.Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi Namaste: If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What does the advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack of Jnana. What would be the role of an Advaitin? OM Shanti D Suneail d.suneail |---------+----------------------------> | | "v_vedanti" | | | <v_vedanti (AT) (DOT) | | | com> | | | | | | 04/24/2003 03:35 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | advaitin | | | | |---------+----------------------------> >-\ --------------| | | | advaitin | | cc: | | Re: Digest Number 1694 | >-\ --------------| I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed. In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety. Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted an identity established for the God! He could have very well said that there was no distinction between the Gods. > Advaita is not equal to Saivam. I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. Om Tat Sat G.Venkat Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Namaste But however, I find Shaivam leaning more towards Advaita when compared with Vaishnavam. For example, Thirumoolar in his Thirumanthiram says mukti is when knows oneself to be Shiva; Shivoham. best regards, K Kathirasan > > v_vedanti [sMTP:v_vedanti] > Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:36 AM > advaitin > Re: Digest Number 1694 > > > I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if > the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels > of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed. > In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety. > > Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted > an identity established for the God! He could have very well said > that there was no distinction between the Gods. > > > Advaita is not equal to Saivam. > > I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more > closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and > Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or > Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct > me if I am wrong about this. > > > Om Tat Sat > G.Venkat > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 advaitin, "Suneail D/PHSSG" <d.suneail@p...> wrote: > > My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi > > Namaste: > > If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population > would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What does the > advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack of > Jnana. > > What would be the role of an Advaitin? Namaste, This is the advice of Sri Krishnain in the Gita: saktaaH karmaNyavidvaa.nso yathaa kurvanti bhaarata . kuryaadvidvaa.nstathaasaktashchikiirshhurlokasa.ngraham.h .. 3\-25.. na buddhibheda.n janayedaGYaanaa.n karmasaN^ginaam.h . joshhayetsarvakarmaaNi vidvaanyuktaH samaacharan.h .. 3\-26.. There is also a prayer and advice in this verse: durjanaH sajjano bhuuyaat sajjanaH shaantim aapnuyaat.h . shaanto muchyeta bandhebhyo muktashchaanyaan vimochayet.h .. May the wicked become virtuous; may the virtuous gain tranquillity; May the peaceful be freed from bondage; may the free liberate others. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Shree Suneail Adviata is not a path - it is the goal. Paths are for purification of the mind and they include all the yoga-s - karma, bhakti and j~naana. Hence bhakti and advaita is not mutually exclusive. Shankara says - moksha saadhana saamaagryaam bhakti reva gariiyasi| of all the means of liberation, bhakti is the supreme. He of course defines what is that Bhakti. Bhakti of j~naani is different from bhakti of aj~naani. Hari OM! Sadananda --- Suneail D/PHSSG <d.suneail wrote: > > My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi > > Namaste: > > If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population > would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What > does the > advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack > of > Jnana. > > What would be the role of an Advaitin? > > > OM Shanti > > > D Suneail > d.suneail > > > |---------+----------------------------> > | | "v_vedanti" | > | | <v_vedanti (AT) (DOT) | > | | com> | > | | | > | | 04/24/2003 03:35 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | advaitin | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------> > > >-\ --------------| > | > | > | advaitin > | > | cc: > | > | Re: Digest Number 1694 > | > > >-\ --------------| > > > > > > I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if > the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels > of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed. > In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety. > > Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted > an identity established for the God! He could have very well said > that there was no distinction between the Gods. > > > Advaita is not equal to Saivam. > > I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more > closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and > Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or > Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct > me if I am wrong about this. > > > Om Tat Sat > G.Venkat > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity > of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi Namaste Sada Ji: Thanks for sharing your view. Apologise for asking but I am unable to comprehend how your reply suits to my query? Could you please elaborate furthur. OM Shanti D Suneail d.suneail |---------+----------------------------> | | kuntimaddi | | | sadananda | | | <kuntimaddisada@y| | | ahoo.com> | | | | | | 04/24/2003 07:05 | | | PM | | | Please respond to| | | advaitin | | | | |---------+----------------------------> >-\ --------------| | | | advaitin | | cc: | | Re: Re: Digest Number 1694 | >-\ --------------| Shree Suneail Adviata is not a path - it is the goal. Paths are for purification of the mind and they include all the yoga-s - karma, bhakti and j~naana. Hence bhakti and advaita is not mutually exclusive. Shankara says - moksha saadhana saamaagryaam bhakti reva gariiyasi| of all the means of liberation, bhakti is the supreme. He of course defines what is that Bhakti. Bhakti of j~naani is different from bhakti of aj~naani. Hari OM! Sadananda --- Suneail D/PHSSG <d.suneail wrote: > > My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi > > Namaste: > > If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population > would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What > does the > advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack > of > Jnana. > > What would be the role of an Advaitin? > > > OM Shanti > > > D Suneail > d.suneail > > > |---------+----------------------------> > | | "v_vedanti" | > | | <v_vedanti (AT) (DOT) | > | | com> | > | | | > | | 04/24/2003 03:35 | > | | AM | > | | Please respond to| > | | advaitin | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------> > > > --\ -------------| > | > | > | advaitin > | > | cc: > | > | Re: Digest Number 1694 > | > > > --\ -------------| > > > > > > I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if > the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels > of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed. > In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety. > > Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted > an identity established for the God! He could have very well said > that there was no distinction between the Gods. > > > Advaita is not equal to Saivam. > > I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more > closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and > Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or > Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct > me if I am wrong about this. > > > Om Tat Sat > G.Venkat > > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity > of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2003 Report Share Posted April 24, 2003 Suneail Here is my understanding. > > > > If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the > population > > would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). The statement implies advaitins and bhakta-s are mutually exclusinve groups. Hence my response. If not, it is my misunderstanding. What > > does the > > advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the > lack > > of > > Jnana. > > > > What would be the role of an Advaitin? If the adviatin has j~naana, all he can do and should do is to share that j~naana with others, who are less fortunate. He of course knows that he has only choice in his actions (free-will)and not in the results. If he is vij~naani, then the question what to do does not arise. The Lord will do what is needed through the available equipments of the j~naani. Hari OM! Sadananda ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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