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Vaidyanathiyer has put in words the very thoughts which were experienced

while going through this news. Yes, It is disappointing. But, I can

understand SriVaishnavaits feeling, because they are proud / possessive

of their traditions - especially Tirumala.

 

If you see various comments frequently, You will not fail to observe a

pattern here. Almost all major issues when Kanchi Seer makes a comment,

there will be a comment 'qualifying' that by a SriVaishnava traditional

authorities. This happened more prominently when Kanchi Seer criticized

DMK leader for having made certain uncharitable comments about the

practice of 'visarjan' (immersion) of the idols after the pooja for

ganapathy. Sri. Ramanujam Thatachar sided with DMK leader, to the

amusement of the non-belivers. Maybe, the whole exercise is an

ideological possessiveness or, much worse.

 

Advaita is not equal to Saivam. This simple truth should be known to

all - especially religious heads. Sri Adishankara is the person who

formulated the temple procedures for Sri Guruvayoor temple of Vishnu

amongst others. (This is the reason why Guruvayoor temple is not as

revered by Sri Vaishnavaits as Tirumala).

 

I think true Advaitin should ignore these.

 

Satchitanadam!

 

jayaram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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23 April 2003 18:01

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Digest Number 1694

 

 

 

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1. temples and treditions

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temples and treditions

 

TEMPLES AND TREDITIONS

 

 

 

 

There was an article in the newspaper about kanchi seer interfering

in the traditions of thirumala temple. The Vaishnava head china

jeeyar had asked the kanchi seer to keep away from commenting on

thirumala temples as he does not belong to Vaishnava traditions. I

think we must keep the temples out of all these controversies. There

are many people who come and worship here. They do not belong to any

particular tradition say Saiva or Vaishnava. All these philosophies

should be restricted to only discussions and to individual mutts. The

heads of mutts should not insist on a particular tradition to be

followed in temples. For eg the thirumala temple is visited by all.

The sankaracharyas of sringeri have sung in praise of lord

venkateshvara also. It is not correct to say that the followers of

these mutt are saivites. God is neither saivite or vaishnavaite. He

has no religious sect it is only we try to see him differently. The

advaita philosophy does not prohibit anyone worshipping other gods

then why create this controvercy of savate and vaishnavaite.the money

collected in thirumala temple is not only from vaishnavaites and the

jeer has no right to comment on the traditions. Leave it to the

people who come for worship there.

 

 

 

 

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I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

 

Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

that there was no distinction between the Gods.

> Advaita is not equal to Saivam.

 

I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more

closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and

Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or

Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct

me if I am wrong about this.

 

 

Om Tat Sat

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My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi

 

Namaste:

 

If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population

would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What does the

advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack of

Jnana.

 

What would be the role of an Advaitin?

 

 

OM Shanti

 

 

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I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

 

Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

that there was no distinction between the Gods.

> Advaita is not equal to Saivam.

 

I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more

closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and

Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or

Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct

me if I am wrong about this.

 

 

Om Tat Sat

G.Venkat

 

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

But however, I find Shaivam leaning more towards Advaita when compared with

Vaishnavam. For example, Thirumoolar in his Thirumanthiram says mukti is

when knows oneself to be Shiva; Shivoham.

 

best regards,

K Kathirasan

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> v_vedanti [sMTP:v_vedanti]

> Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:36 AM

> advaitin

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> I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

> the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

> of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

> In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

>

> Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

> an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

> that there was no distinction between the Gods.

>

> > Advaita is not equal to Saivam.

>

> I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more

> closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and

> Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or

> Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct

> me if I am wrong about this.

>

>

> Om Tat Sat

> G.Venkat

>

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> My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi

>

> Namaste:

>

> If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the

population

> would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What

does the

> advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the

lack of

> Jnana.

>

> What would be the role of an Advaitin?

 

Namaste,

 

This is the advice of Sri Krishnain in the Gita:

 

saktaaH karmaNyavidvaa.nso yathaa kurvanti bhaarata .

kuryaadvidvaa.nstathaasaktashchikiirshhurlokasa.ngraham.h .. 3\-25..

 

na buddhibheda.n janayedaGYaanaa.n karmasaN^ginaam.h .

joshhayetsarvakarmaaNi vidvaanyuktaH samaacharan.h .. 3\-26..

 

There is also a prayer and advice in this verse:

 

durjanaH sajjano bhuuyaat sajjanaH shaantim aapnuyaat.h .

shaanto muchyeta bandhebhyo muktashchaanyaan vimochayet.h ..

 

May the wicked become virtuous; may the virtuous gain tranquillity;

May the peaceful be freed from bondage; may the free liberate others.

 

 

Regards,

 

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Shree Suneail

 

Adviata is not a path - it is the goal. Paths are for purification of

the mind and they include all the yoga-s - karma, bhakti and j~naana.

Hence bhakti and advaita is not mutually exclusive. Shankara says -

moksha saadhana saamaagryaam bhakti reva gariiyasi| of all the means of

liberation, bhakti is the supreme. He of course defines what is that

Bhakti. Bhakti of j~naani is different from bhakti of aj~naani.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

--- Suneail D/PHSSG <d.suneail wrote:

>

> My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi

>

> Namaste:

>

> If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population

> would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What

> does the

> advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack

> of

> Jnana.

>

> What would be the role of an Advaitin?

>

>

> OM Shanti

>

>

> D Suneail

> d.suneail

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> I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

> the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

> of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

> In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

>

> Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

> an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

> that there was no distinction between the Gods.

>

> > Advaita is not equal to Saivam.

>

> I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more

> closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and

> Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or

> Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct

> me if I am wrong about this.

>

>

> Om Tat Sat

> G.Venkat

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My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi

 

Namaste Sada Ji:

 

Thanks for sharing your view. Apologise for asking but I am unable to

comprehend how your reply suits to my query? Could you please elaborate

furthur.

 

OM Shanti

 

 

D Suneail

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Shree Suneail

 

Adviata is not a path - it is the goal. Paths are for purification of

the mind and they include all the yoga-s - karma, bhakti and j~naana.

Hence bhakti and advaita is not mutually exclusive. Shankara says -

moksha saadhana saamaagryaam bhakti reva gariiyasi| of all the means of

liberation, bhakti is the supreme. He of course defines what is that

Bhakti. Bhakti of j~naani is different from bhakti of aj~naani.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

--- Suneail D/PHSSG <d.suneail wrote:

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> My Salutations To Sri Dakshinamurthi

>

> Namaste:

>

> If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the population

> would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees). What

> does the

> advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the lack

> of

> Jnana.

>

> What would be the role of an Advaitin?

>

>

> OM Shanti

>

>

> D Suneail

> d.suneail

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> I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

> the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

> of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

> In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

>

> Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

> an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

> that there was no distinction between the Gods.

>

> > Advaita is not equal to Saivam.

>

> I think this is quite true.If I understood right, Saivism is more

> closer to Visishtadvaita than Advaita. In fact, Saivism and

> Vaishnavism both seem the same to me except they want either Shiva or

> Vishnu to be the higher God according to their sect. Please correct

> me if I am wrong about this.

>

>

> Om Tat Sat

> G.Venkat

>

>

>

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Here is my understanding.

> >

> > If my understanding is right only a small percentage of the

> population

> > would be Advaitins. The majority would be Bhaktas (devotees).

 

The statement implies advaitins and bhakta-s are mutually exclusinve

groups. Hence my response. If not, it is my misunderstanding.

 

What

> > does the

> > advaitin do when he sees that "Things are going wrong" due to the

> lack

> > of

> > Jnana.

> >

> > What would be the role of an Advaitin?

 

If the adviatin has j~naana, all he can do and should do is to share

that j~naana with others, who are less fortunate. He of course knows

that he has only choice in his actions (free-will)and not in the

results. If he is vij~naani, then the question what to do does not

arise. The Lord will do what is needed through the available equipments

of the j~naani.

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

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