RE: Digest Number 1695

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Shri Venkat Ji

 

That is the whole Point. Shri Ramanuja's philosophy is that all Gods

are NOT equal. Only Shri Vishnu is the param Devata. All other gods

are demi gods whom Shri Vishnu activates as 'antaryami'. (Not a good

definition of his philosophy; but point be taken please)

 

So, I thought I will put this right.

 

Jayaram

 

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Message: 2

Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:35:44 -0000

"v_vedanti" <v_vedanti

Re: Digest Number 1694

 

I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

 

Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

that there was no distinction between the Gods.

 

 

Om Tat Sat

G.Venkat

[Guest guest]

Namaste all,

 

Are we not missing a point? It is true that as a human being, Sri

Ramanuja wants to give an identification to the God. But, if we believe

what described below, then the God himself wants that kind of

distinction. The God cud have kept silent but he chose to act and to

prove some point to the world.

 

I was brought in the vaishnavite tradition and had the opportunity to

drink little bit of teachings offered by the Acharyas. We should all

remember the historical background of development of vaishnavism in

India. The sword of islam was looming large during that period. Every

sultan of Delhi and the kings of local muslim provinces were hell bent

on destroying the temples and traditions. To save the part of Hinduism

that was practiced during that time, he codified the laws stringently.

In fact, the muslims were problamatic for all the practitioners of

advaita/smarthas.

It is also true that the latter day acharayas did not dilute the

stringency imposed by Sri Ramanuja and till date, consider all other

form of worship as inferior.I consider this as bad and so left the path

of Sri Ramanuja.

 

I am writing the following item to give some picture about the on-going

tussle in Tamilnadu(India).

 

BTW, this meddling of Kanchi sankaracharya is nothing but pure

politics. He did the same thing to the palani murugan temple, which was

not managed by the vaishnavites but some other sects and that created a

huge uproar. In 1993, when we visited kanchi temple, they had the

practice of serving food to the people, which was a noble practice.

Unfortunately, they were serving food separately to the brahmins and so

called "non-brahmins" (Sorry to use this kind of terminology, which I

don't like to use, but these were terms used by the authorities of

kanchi mutt). We went to complain this to the the presiding seer of the

mutt and we were not allowed to do that. So, we chose to walk out of the

place without partaking the food (we were ten and amongst us, there were

4 so called other caste people). We cud have filed a police complaint,

as this kind of discrimination is not allowed in tamilnadu. But we chose

not to do that. It is their policy to practice and it is our policy not

to practice and leave it to the great leveller "Kaal (time)" to settle

the issue.

 

It is true that we all want these kind of "exclusive" religions/cults

etc to change but let us not force them.

 

Let this discussion group stay away from that kind of politics.

 

Rgds

--Ranga

 

 

 

 

Message: 2

Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:35:44 -0000

"v_vedanti" <v_vedanti

Re: Digest Number 1694

 

I remember reading that Sri Ramanujacharya was asked the question if

the diety in Tirumala was Shiva or Vishnu. He asked that the jewels

of both dieties be placed in front of God and the temple doors closed.

In the morning the jewels for Vishnu was seen to be worn by the diety.

 

Looks like the chief exponent of Vaishnava philosophy himself wanted

an identity established for the God! He could have very well said

that there was no distinction between the Gods.

 

 

Om Tat Sat

G.Venkat

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

With all due respect to the participants, I recommend the discussios be

centered on philosophy rather than politics of the matts and

aachaarya-s. Those may be of concern but I feel it is out of the

scope of this list.

 

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

-- Chakkara Rangarajan <crangara wrote:

>

> I was brought in the vaishnavite tradition and had the opportunity to

> drink little bit of teachings offered by the Acharyas. We should all

> remember the historical background of development of vaishnavism in

> India. The sword of islam was looming large during that period.

 

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