Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Benjamin Wrote: "For it is primarily the bhaktis who seem to get into this trouble, since many of them tend to be naive and emotional and too trusting of the guru, as far as I can tell. It is no secret that 'intellectuals' on an Eastern spiritual path tend to be drawn to Advaita or similar paths such as Zen. (Actually, one can think of scandals in the Advaita or Zen communities as well, if one searches the web, so my generalization should be taken with a grain of salt.)" Hello All, "The Heart has its reasons that the head does not understand" (Pascal) A great mathematician and a scientist in his day hardly the sort of gaga bhakti that you take for the norm. Read Ramakrishna and you will find that the perfect exemplar of estatic devotion who hadn't much formal learning, whose Bengali is described as a village patois and yet the pure wisdom that issued from him was poetic and beautiful. Ramana Maharshi also spoke of the spiritual Heart which he located on the right side of the body. When out on the hill he had an experience of death the life force retreated to that point and commenced from it again as he revived. Why on the right hand side? My fancy is that it is the side where the Heart is of the man in the mirror. We are that reflection in the mirror of supernal consciousness. Such is the poetic imagry of the Tantra system which is guiding philosophy of 'Tripura Rahasya' (The mystery beyond the Trinity) considered by Ramana to be one of the greatest works that expounded advaita philosophy. Throughout the Upanishads the Heart is proclaimed to be the ultimate centre of identity. In a gloss on Katha II.i.14 Sankara speaks of the angusthamatrah purusah (the all pervasive entity of the size of a thumb) who is lord of the past and the future. He exists in all beings. He, who is perceived as such by the Yogis in their hearts. Coleridge said "Deep thinking is deep feeling". He was opposed to the rationalist idea (Hume and Hartley) that a train of ideas was the main factor in mental life. He held instead "that association depends in a much greater degree on the recurrance of resembling states of feeling than trains of ideas." Essentially then such a metaphysical solution of the nature of mental life i.e. the rationalist "that does not instantly tell you something in the heart is grieviously to be suspected". "I almost think that ideas never recall ideas, as far as they are ideas, any more than leaves in a forest create each others motion. The breeze it is runs thro' them - it is the soul of state of feeling." This would line up with the concept of 'bhava' which Ramakrishna embodied from time to time. It is a profound topic and if there are other enthusiasts (en theos - the god within) out there I would love to hear their views on this sublime subject. >From Dejection: An Ode by Samuel Taylor Coleridge (Section V) written 1772 O pure of heart! thou need'st not ask of me What this strong music in the soul may be! What, and wherein it doth exist, This light, this glory, this fair luminous mist, This beautiful and beauty-making power. Joy, virtuous Lady! Joy that ne'er was given, Save to the pure, and in their purest hour, Life, and Life's effluence, cloud at once and shower; Joy, Lady! is the spirit and the power Which wedding Nature to us gives in dower A new Earth and new Heaven, Undreamt of by the sensual and the proud- Joy is the sweet voice, Joy, the luminous cloud - We in ourselves rejoice! And thence flows all that charms or ear or sight, All melodies the echoes of that voice, All colours a suffusion from that light. Best Wishes, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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