Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Hello Shivaram, It ought to be possible to mention the name of a major figure like Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba with respect. In the year or so that I have been posting to this site He has been mentioned on two occasions as far as I remember. To construe that as promotion is bizarre. When other teachers whose names have been linked to controversy are referred to or their teachings commended we have focussed on what Sri Murthy has called the good in what they say. Most sensitive people are aware when the occasional allusion to some guru passes over into being active promotion. This has not happened in this case. Unless a certain degree of restraint and tolerance is shown then the sharing of a spiritual space with others becomes impossible. The result then would be ghettoisation and retreat of every one into their individual fortresses where they rail against the ignorance and benightedness of everyone else. You will agree that there is rather too much of that in the world already. Best Wishes, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 No, Mike. I haven't heard that song but remember having read the English translation of it somewhere. "Make me that bee, Mother!" is my only prayer. Sankara in Saundarya Lahari sings that the Trinity stand with their hands folded and heads bent near Her pedestal and dare not move without Her consent. How then can SanAtana Dharma be without Her? Thanks and regards. Madathil Nair ______________ advaitin, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote: Am I not right in thinking that the Mother is the ishtadevata of the majority of those within the fold of Sanatana Dharma. Have you ever heard that bajan of Yogananda's "engrossed is the bee of our mind in the blue lotus feet of our Divine Mother, Divine Mother, Divine Mother, Our Divine Mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Namaste, Sw. Yogananda hailed from Bengal and was obviously influenced by Mother/Shakti worship in the region. Ramprasad (1720- 1781) started a whole genre of devotional songs to Mother Kali. Here is a fine example (and a favorite of Sri Ramakrishna) - I drink no ordinary wine, but Wine of Everlasting Bliss, As I repeat my Mother Kali's name; It so intoxicates my mind that people take me to be drunk! First my guru gives molasses for the making of the Wine; My longing is the ferment to transform it. Knowledge, the maker of the Wine, prepares it for me then; And when it is done, my mind imbibes it from the bottle of the mantra, Taking the Mother's name to make it pure. Drink of this Wine, says Ramprasad, and the four fruits of life are yours. The 11th chapter of the Gita is hailed as an unexcelled piece of theophany; substituting Mother for Krishna is just as exhilarating to me! Regards, Sunder advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair" <madathilnair> wrote: > No, Mike. I haven't heard that song but remember having read the > English translation of it somewhere. "Make me that bee, Mother!" is > my only prayer. > > Sankara in Saundarya Lahari sings that the Trinity stand with their > hands folded and heads bent near Her pedestal and dare not move > without Her consent. How then can SanAtana Dharma be without Her? > > Thanks and regards. > > Madathil Nair > ______________ > > advaitin, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> > wrote: > > Am I not right in thinking that the Mother > is the ishtadevata of the majority of those within the > fold of Sanatana Dharma. Have you ever heard that > bajan of Yogananda's "engrossed is the bee of our mind > in the blue lotus feet > of our Divine Mother, > Divine Mother, Divine Mother, > Our Divine Mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 On Mon, 12 May 2003 08:25:17 +0100, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva wrote: > Hello Shivaram, > It ought to be possible to mention the name of a major figure like > Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba with respect. In the year or so that I have > been posting to this site He has been mentioned on two occasions as far > as I remember. To construe that as promotion is bizarre. When other > teachers whose names have been linked to controversy are referred to or > their teachings commended we have focussed on what Sri Murthy has called > the good in what they say. Most sensitive people are aware when the > occasional allusion to some guru passes over into being active promotion. > This has not happened in this case. Unless a certain degree of restraint > and tolerance is shown then the sharing of a spiritual space with others > becomes impossible. The result then would be ghettoisation and retreat > of every one into their individual fortresses where they rail against the > ignorance and benightedness of everyone else. You will agree that there > is rather too much of that in the world already. > > Best Wishes, Michael. Namaste, Sri Michael. Searching the archives for the period you cite I found 32 posts mentioning this person. Please note that I was writing in support of a comment by our friend Sri Tony, which you deleted together with my own remarks in your reply: > On Sun, 11 May 2003 16:25:20 -0000, Tony O'Clery <aoclery > wrote: > >> Can we now cease to talk about Raju ,aka sai baba.( There is only one >> sai baba and that was Shirdi). I was an officer of that organisation for >> some years and a devotee for some fifteen years and have a lot of >> experience and information. This will be my last response on Raju please >> may you also stop touting your guru. >> http://www.spaceports.com/~saiinfo/ >> >> Om Namah Sivaya......Tony O'Clery. > > On Sun, 11 May 2003 11:28:35 -0500, Shivaram Das <conte > wrote: > > I agree. Some of us find the promotion of sai baba as offensive as the > caveats against him are to others. Best leave the subject for good. > Shivaram But unfortunately you were not content to leave the subject. And also unfortunately the situation is of sufficient concern that there are those who do not wish to let this person's name appear without sounding a warning, so on it goes. Students of other teachers who have a "checkered" reputation seem to have a certain natural reticence when it comes to mentioning their names; I myself do not mention certain of my own teachers by name for this reason, although I hold their teachings in highest regard. What is the reason for naming names, if not to vindicate the person? And this is not the place for that undertaking. Pranams, Shivaram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Following Shree Murthy gaaru's appeal, I request all the discussions on Shree Satya Sai Baba should stop. The list is mostly for discussion of philosophy and not individual masters. Please respect the list charter and follow the guide lines. Hari OM! Sadananda ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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