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Namaste!

 

Here is an interesting article in which Ramana responds to some of

Aurobindo's ideas.

 

http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0098.htm

 

The relevance to this month's topic of Bhakti is that Ramana once

again emphasizes that Jiva (soul), Ishwara (personal God) and Jagat

(world) all arise together with the mind and its notion of Ahamkara

(ego). So once again, Advaita emphasizes that Bhakti is inseparable

from mind and is therefore at a 'lower' level than complete

liberation.

 

The contrast to Aurobindo interests me, because Aurobindo had a very

sharp mind and good judgement. Whereas Gandhi seemed naive regarding

Hitler and the more militant Muslims in India, Aurobindo shared no

such illusions. I have read about Aurobindo and find his ideas

interesting. However, reading his texts is a lot of work, because he

writes most profusely. Nevertheless, he is a major Indian spiritual

figure of the last century, who commands respect.

 

This article also interests me, because I am inclined to share

Aurobindo's notion that we are destined for a more glorious and

spiritual 'body' in future lives after enlightenment, perhaps one

made of light instead of gross matter. I have difficulty seeing what

is wrong with an ideal paradisical 'world' with ideal beautiful

flowers, mountains, rivers, people, etc. Why can we not become

'realized' and yet enjoy the beautiful spectacle? For sure, we must

give up identification with the illusion of the body, but may that

illusion not then become a delightful spectacle, the dance of Maya?

 

Sometimes the pure Advaitin notion of complete liberation from the

phenomenal world seems very cold and abstract to me, if not

incomprehensible. Often I feel inclined to interpret Advaita as the

purification of how we see this or any world, not the elimination

altogether of a world. What would be left? Infinite black space?

Perhaps I really fail to understand something essential...

 

Om!

Benjamin

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advaitin, Benjamin Root <orion777ben>

wrote:

>

> Namaste!

>

> Here is an interesting article in which Ramana responds to some of

> Aurobindo's ideas.

>

> http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0098.htm

>

> The relevance to this month's topic of Bhakti is that Ramana once

> again emphasizes that Jiva (soul), Ishwara (personal God) and Jagat

> (world) all arise together with the mind and its notion of Ahamkara

> (ego). So once again, Advaita emphasizes that Bhakti is

inseparable

> from mind and is therefore at a 'lower' level than complete

> liberation.

>

> The contrast to Aurobindo interests me, because Aurobindo had a

very

> sharp mind and good judgement. Whereas Gandhi seemed naive

regarding

> Hitler and the more militant Muslims in India, Aurobindo shared no

> such illusions. I have read about Aurobindo and find his ideas

> interesting. However, reading his texts is a lot of work, because

he

> writes most profusely. Nevertheless, he is a major Indian

spiritual

> figure of the last century, who commands respect.

>

> This article also interests me, because I am inclined to share

> Aurobindo's notion that we are destined for a more glorious and

> spiritual 'body' in future lives after enlightenment, perhaps one

> made of light instead of gross matter. I have difficulty seeing

what

> is wrong with an ideal paradisical 'world' with ideal beautiful

> flowers, mountains, rivers, people, etc. Why can we not become

> 'realized' and yet enjoy the beautiful spectacle? For sure, we

must

> give up identification with the illusion of the body, but may that

> illusion not then become a delightful spectacle, the dance of Maya?

>

> Sometimes the pure Advaitin notion of complete liberation from the

> phenomenal world seems very cold and abstract to me, if not

> incomprehensible. Often I feel inclined to interpret Advaita as

the

> purification of how we see this or any world, not the elimination

> altogether of a world. What would be left? Infinite black space?

> Perhaps I really fail to understand something essential...

>

> Om!

> Benjamin

 

Namaste Ben,

 

I think we can get that paradisical body on the astral. Shades of St

Paul here with spiritual bodies etc. Aurobindo had been a liberation

fighter so understood the mundane world very well. His integral yoga

seems to wish to bring 'God', into descending into consciousness of

all. He states it happened to him on the 23 or 24 of November 1923, I

believe. He put it as Krishna descending on to the planet. Krishna

being the Universal descending into the particular, in this case

Aurobindo.......ONS.....Tony.

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