Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 Adavaitin Satsang, Hari Om, I apologise for disturbing the ongoing discussion on Gnana and Bakhti. I want to draw tha attention of members to an important science article which has appeared in LA Times today (reference below). It suggests several theories by leading Profs in Modern Physics which were speculated in our upanishads and Puransa, but it gives credit to Plato for having thought of it first! This includes things being before us but we cannot see. It is a long article. Pranams. P.B.V.Rajan LA Times , May 17 A New Slice on Physics Is the world we see trapped on a thin membrane separating us from vast other realms? Some scientists say that would explain a lot. By K.C. Cole, Times Staff Writer Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2003 Report Share Posted May 17, 2003 advaitin, "pbvrajan" <pbvrajan@i...> wrote: > Adavaitin Satsang, > > > Hari Om, > > > I apologise for disturbing the ongoing discussion on Gnana and Bakhti. I want to draw tha attention of members to an important science article which has appeared in LA Times today (reference below). It suggests several theories by leading Profs in Modern Physics which were speculated in our upanishads and Puransa, but it gives credit to Plato for having thought of it first! This includes things being before us but we cannot see. It is a long article. > > > Pranams. > > > P.B.V.Rajan Namaste P, I didn't see the article but are they talking about the 'String theory', of many universes at different notes/vibrations or dimensions. All this is still material though, and Plato may have got it from the Egyptians where he got his information of Atlantis, a highly tec society probably even more advanced than our own. Although Hiranyakasipu had penetrated ultimate matter, millions of years ago. There is nothing knew under the sun. Prior to Atlantis we had Mu etc etc, its all in the puranas under different names anyway.,,,ONS....Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 advaitin Tony wrote:I didn't see the article but are they talking about the 'String theory', of many universes at different notes/vibrations or dimensions. its all in the puranas under different names anyway.,,,ONS....Tony. It is subsequent development after string theory. It is called "brane" world. I am just quotinga para below: "We can't see anything outside our brane, because light can't escape or enter it. We can't hear anything outside, because sound travels through matter, and matter is stuck to our brane. We can't use radioactivity to sense what's beyond, or even break through with nuclear bombs, because nuclear forces are also firmly nailed to our brane. There could be a big blue elephant sitting not a millimeter away in another dimension, but we wouldn't know it's there because everything we use to "see" is stuck to our brane." I feel that this aspect of our empirical Knowledge leading to Final destination of Adviata is somewhat ignored in this group, I mean the various steps leading to the final conclusion, possibly because it is considered old hat or mythology. Regards. Rajan Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy The Best In BOOKS at http://www.bestsellers.indiatimes.com Bid for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Namaste. I can't figure out how all this is labelled a theory. The way it is explained in the quoted paragraph, there cannot be any empirical evidence to support it because it is something beyond the limitations of our organs of perception and their aides. That there are separate parallel realities existing side by side (without our knowing them) is a long-surmised idea. It became popular in the West with Carlos Castaneda's work "A Separate Reality" where he has narrated his experiences with a Mexican sorcerer called Don Juan. Castaneda was the latter's apprentice in black magic. The books argues that there are in fact parallel realties between which a man of knowledge (accomplished sorcerer) can flit at will. Castaneda has written a couple of other works on the same theme. Then, there is Losbang Rampa (the spelling may not be correct) who has written profusely on similar themes but most of which are now considered suspect. The West, however,lapped him up greedily in his heydays. In our own LalitAsahasranAmAvali (Thousand Names of Mother Lalita) and LalitAtrisati (Three Hundred Names of Mother Lalita) there are names like anekakOti brahmANda jananI (the mother or creator of several millions of universes) and sarvaprapancha nirmAtrI (the maker of all universes). That there are many universes was, therefore, an alterady-accepted fact to the Indians even before modern science took sprouts in the West. The surprise is that the Orient doesn't much worry about it because it knows that the maker of these myriad worlds sits well inside them with all the material cause. The spider (UrNanAbhi) feels no concern to count its web fibres! Our UrNanAbhi simile is not old hat.(There is some discussion about it in our archives.). It is a quantum jump in thinking that explains the sprouting up of the universes of ignorance. The West, therefore, is deluded in believing that it has something new. PraNAms. Madathil Nair P.S.: What is brane? Is it "brain" inadvertently mispelt? _______ advaitin, "pbvrajan" <pbvrajan@i...> wrote: > "We can't see anything outside our brane, because light can't escape or enter it. We can't hear anything outside, because sound travels through matter, and matter is stuck to our brane. We can't use radioactivity to sense what's beyond, or even break through with nuclear bombs, because nuclear forces are also firmly nailed to our brane. There could be a big blue elephant sitting not a millimeter away in another dimension, but we wouldn't know it's there because everything we use to "see" is stuck to our brane." > > > I feel that this aspect of our empirical Knowledge leading to Final destination of Adviata is somewhat ignored in this group, I mean the various steps leading to the final conclusion, possibly because it is considered old hat or mythology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Further to my post 17474. The following Kashmiri Shaivism site may be of interest to Members: http://www.kheper.net/topics/Trika/consciousness_and_worlds.htm Perhaps, Shivramdasji can offer some valuable comments. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair" <madathilnair> wrote: > Further to my post 17474. > > The following Kashmiri Shaivism site may be of interest to Members: > > http://www.kheper.net/topics/Trika/consciousness_and_worlds.htm > > Perhaps, Shivramdasji can offer some valuable comments. > > Madathil Nair Hello Madathil, A very interesting site. I came across it while looking for some substantial extracts from the writings of Abhinavagupta. Perhaps some member knows where such is to be found. Speaking of devas I remember that the Findhorn sage began when Cady one of its founders came in contact with a pea deva. Then through collaboration with the sprite world they were able to create a magnificent garden on what was no more than sand dunes. One of their glories was 40 lb. cabbage (20kg.) on a couple of inches of soil. There are other dimensions. Are they real or imaginary or are they that thing the sufis call the imaginal. For those interested in that sort of thing I have a short piece recounting a curious adventure. http://homepage.eircom.net/~ombhurbhuva/grail.htm Are there places on the earth where there is but a thin gauze between this common shared world and worlds that are uncanny. Lately with my daughter on an archeology project we visited various Holy Wells in the neigbhourhood. Those places would have been sacred in the ancient Celtic (Druidic) religion. There is still a sense of power around them, now under the new ownership of saints. They seem cthonic portals. For the rationalist this is the icing on the fruit cake but let us not close the account with reality prematurely. Best Wishes, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 This discussion has gone into speculations. The latest issue of Scientific American treats this subject in great detail and explains the basis for a variety of possibilities, all with a scientific or mathematical explanation. The interesting analogy which comes to mind for me is the Thousand Armed Kali -- one arm for each universe. lotusaware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 On Sun, 18 May 2003 21:52:40 -0000, svahauk <ombhurbhuva wrote: > advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair" > <madathilnair> wrote: >> Further to my post 17474. >> >> The following Kashmiri Shaivism site may be of interest to Members: >> >> http://www.kheper.net/topics/Trika/consciousness_and_worlds.htm >> >> Perhaps, Shivramdasji can offer some valuable comments. >> >> Madathil Nair > > Hello Madathil, > A very interesting site. I came across it while looking for some > substantial extracts > from the writings of Abhinavagupta. Perhaps some member knows where such > is to be found. Hello, Michael, It is unfortunate that there is so little of Abhinavagupta online. There is a called InnerBliss which interested persons may join; postings have included portions of the Paramarthasara (Essence of the Exact Reality) and a number of other interesting texts of Kashmir Shaivism. Yours, Shivaram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 advaitin, Shivaram Das <conte@i...> wrote: > > It is unfortunate that there is so little of Abhinavagupta online. There is Namaste, This Italian site has many of his works in transliterated Romanized Sanskrit, but without any translations: http://w3.uniroma1.it/studiorientali/indologia/gandharvanagaram/sanskr it.htm Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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