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Adavaitin Satsang,

 

 

Hari Om,

 

 

I apologise for disturbing the ongoing discussion on Gnana and Bakhti. I want to

draw tha attention of members to an important science article which has appeared

in LA Times today (reference below). It suggests several theories by leading

Profs in Modern Physics which were speculated in our upanishads and Puransa, but

it gives credit to Plato for having thought of it first! This includes things

being before us but we cannot see. It is a long article.

 

 

Pranams.

 

 

P.B.V.Rajan

 

 

LA Times , May 17

A New Slice on Physics

Is the world we see trapped on a thin membrane separating us from vast other

realms? Some scientists say that would explain a lot.

 

By K.C. Cole, Times Staff Writer

 

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advaitin, "pbvrajan" <pbvrajan@i...> wrote:

> Adavaitin Satsang,

>

>

> Hari Om,

>

>

> I apologise for disturbing the ongoing discussion on Gnana and

Bakhti. I want to draw tha attention of members to an important

science article which has appeared in LA Times today (reference

below). It suggests several theories by leading Profs in Modern

Physics which were speculated in our upanishads and Puransa, but it

gives credit to Plato for having thought of it first! This includes

things being before us but we cannot see. It is a long article.

>

>

> Pranams.

>

>

> P.B.V.Rajan

 

Namaste P,

 

I didn't see the article but are they talking about the 'String

theory', of many universes at different notes/vibrations or

dimensions. All this is still material though, and Plato may have got

it from the Egyptians where he got his information of Atlantis, a

highly tec society probably even more advanced than our own. Although

Hiranyakasipu had penetrated ultimate matter, millions of years ago.

There is nothing knew under the sun.

Prior to Atlantis we had Mu etc etc, its all in the puranas under

different names anyway.,,,ONS....Tony.

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advaitin Tony wrote:I didn't see the article but are they

talking about the 'String theory', of many universes at different

notes/vibrations or

dimensions. its all in the puranas under

different names anyway.,,,ONS....Tony.

 

 

It is subsequent development after string theory. It is called "brane" world. I

am just quotinga para below:

 

 

"We can't see anything outside our brane, because light can't escape or enter

it. We can't hear anything outside, because sound travels through matter, and

matter is stuck to our brane. We can't use radioactivity to sense what's beyond,

or even break through with nuclear bombs, because nuclear forces are also firmly

nailed to our brane. There could be a big blue elephant sitting not a millimeter

away in another dimension, but we wouldn't know it's there because everything we

use to "see" is stuck to our brane."

 

 

I feel that this aspect of our empirical Knowledge leading to Final destination

of Adviata is somewhat ignored in this group, I mean the various steps leading

to the final conclusion, possibly because it is considered old hat or mythology.

 

 

Regards.

 

 

Rajan

 

 

 

 

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Namaste.

 

I can't figure out how all this is labelled a theory. The way it is

explained in the quoted paragraph, there cannot be any empirical

evidence to support it because it is something beyond the limitations

of our organs of perception and their aides.

 

That there are separate parallel realities existing side by side

(without our knowing them) is a long-surmised idea. It became

popular in the West with Carlos Castaneda's work "A Separate Reality"

where he has narrated his experiences with a Mexican sorcerer called

Don Juan. Castaneda was the latter's apprentice in black magic. The

books argues that there are in fact parallel realties between which a

man of knowledge (accomplished sorcerer) can flit at will. Castaneda

has written a couple of other works on the same theme.

 

Then, there is Losbang Rampa (the spelling may not be correct) who

has written profusely on similar themes but most of which are now

considered suspect. The West, however,lapped him up greedily in his

heydays.

 

In our own LalitAsahasranAmAvali (Thousand Names of Mother Lalita)

and LalitAtrisati (Three Hundred Names of Mother Lalita) there are

names like anekakOti brahmANda jananI (the mother or creator of

several millions of universes) and sarvaprapancha nirmAtrI (the maker

of all universes). That there are many universes was, therefore, an

alterady-accepted fact to the Indians even before modern science took

sprouts in the West. The surprise is that the Orient doesn't much

worry about it because it knows that the maker of these myriad worlds

sits well inside them with all the material cause. The spider

(UrNanAbhi) feels no concern to count its web fibres! Our UrNanAbhi

simile is not old hat.(There is some discussion about it in our

archives.). It is a quantum jump in thinking that explains the

sprouting up of the universes of ignorance. The West, therefore, is

deluded in believing that it has something new.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

 

P.S.: What is brane? Is it "brain" inadvertently mispelt?

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advaitin, "pbvrajan" <pbvrajan@i...> wrote:

> "We can't see anything outside our brane, because light can't

escape or enter it. We can't hear anything outside, because sound

travels through matter, and matter is stuck to our brane. We can't

use radioactivity to sense what's beyond, or even break through with

nuclear bombs, because nuclear forces are also firmly nailed to our

brane. There could be a big blue elephant sitting not a millimeter

away in another dimension, but we wouldn't know it's there because

everything we use to "see" is stuck to our brane."

>

>

> I feel that this aspect of our empirical Knowledge leading to

Final destination of Adviata is somewhat ignored in this group, I

mean the various steps leading to the final conclusion, possibly

because it is considered old hat or mythology.

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advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair"

<madathilnair> wrote:

> Further to my post 17474.

>

> The following Kashmiri Shaivism site may be of interest to Members:

>

> http://www.kheper.net/topics/Trika/consciousness_and_worlds.htm

>

> Perhaps, Shivramdasji can offer some valuable comments.

>

> Madathil Nair

 

Hello Madathil,

A very interesting site. I came across it while looking for some

substantial extracts

 

from the writings of Abhinavagupta. Perhaps some member knows where

such is to be

 

found.

 

Speaking of devas I remember that the Findhorn sage began when

Cady one of its

 

founders came in contact with a pea deva. Then through collaboration

with the sprite

 

world they were able to create a magnificent garden on what was no

more than sand

 

dunes. One of their glories was 40 lb. cabbage (20kg.) on a couple

of inches of soil.

 

There are other dimensions. Are they real or imaginary or are they

that thing the

 

sufis call the imaginal. For those interested in that sort of thing

I have a short

 

piece recounting a curious adventure.

 

http://homepage.eircom.net/~ombhurbhuva/grail.htm

 

Are there places on the earth where there is but a thin gauze between

this common

 

shared world and worlds that are uncanny. Lately with my daughter on

an archeology

 

project we visited various Holy Wells in the neigbhourhood. Those

places would have

 

been sacred in the ancient Celtic (Druidic) religion. There is still

a sense of power

 

around them, now under the new ownership of saints. They seem

cthonic portals. For

 

the rationalist this is the icing on the fruit cake but let us not

close the account

 

with reality prematurely.

 

Best Wishes, Michael.

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This discussion has gone into speculations.

 

The latest issue of Scientific American treats this subject in great

detail and explains the basis for a variety of possibilities, all

with a scientific or mathematical explanation.

 

The interesting analogy which comes to mind for me is the Thousand

Armed Kali -- one arm for each universe.

 

lotusaware

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On Sun, 18 May 2003 21:52:40 -0000, svahauk <ombhurbhuva wrote:

> advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair"

> <madathilnair> wrote:

>> Further to my post 17474.

>>

>> The following Kashmiri Shaivism site may be of interest to Members:

>>

>> http://www.kheper.net/topics/Trika/consciousness_and_worlds.htm

>>

>> Perhaps, Shivramdasji can offer some valuable comments.

>>

>> Madathil Nair

>

> Hello Madathil,

> A very interesting site. I came across it while looking for some

> substantial extracts

> from the writings of Abhinavagupta. Perhaps some member knows where such

> is to be found.

 

Hello, Michael,

 

It is unfortunate that there is so little of Abhinavagupta online. There is

a called InnerBliss which interested persons may join; postings

have included portions of the Paramarthasara (Essence of the Exact Reality)

and a number of other interesting texts of Kashmir Shaivism.

 

Yours,

Shivaram

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advaitin, Shivaram Das <conte@i...> wrote:

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> It is unfortunate that there is so little of Abhinavagupta online.

There is

 

 

Namaste,

 

This Italian site has many of his works in transliterated

Romanized Sanskrit, but without any translations:

 

http://w3.uniroma1.it/studiorientali/indologia/gandharvanagaram/sanskr

it.htm

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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