Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Tony O'Clery wrote: > Namaste Eric, > > Yeah I agree with what you have said about Samadhi. I just wondered > why a Jivanmukti would need to go into obvious withdrawal meditation > when I thought they were in it all the time, in all states of > consciousness....Why do they even need to sleep?.....ONS....Tony. dear tony, another silly guess, again he can decide of the relevance of you as a witness or a questioner; he does not owe you to be at your every wish and question, (but you can do something for him at anytime) so he can let his body look like a slouch; you say he is withdrawn in meditation; what do you know? your attention would be so keen on this and less on your own focus? my guess is he will tell you everything you did when he "comes back" (he never went). you say he is not present to external stimuli, what does he care? the question is about your internal stimuli now; for him, maybe he is having a meeting with gods right now, in this landscape you are a well perceived factor he doesn't need to take care of for the moment. (again you can take care of yourself) as for sleep; why would you find alright that he submits, let's say for example, to gravity or feeding; and why would you be so bothered that when everything around him is so quiet and does not request him he would adopt yet another bodily posture you call sleep for three or four hours? it is all from the external point of view of your guru or your relationship to him that you assess has been interrupted or is subject to waning and waxing. (what is waning and waxing in fact) you would ask him why he did not look available during this posture you call sleep and he would say he's been aware about you all the time (and before you were born); the same thing if you ask about: "why does he die?" your own death is a more pressing problem; the same thing if you complained that now you don't feel the look of sri ramana on you because you don't see him? what do we now? it is our responsability to know in happiness eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 advaitin, "eric paroissien" <peaceisit@a...> wrote: > Tony O'Clery wrote: > > Namaste Eric, > > > > Yeah I agree with what you have said about Samadhi. I just wondered > > why a Jivanmukti would need to go into obvious withdrawal > meditation > > when I thought they were in it all the time, in all states of > > consciousness....Why do they even need to sleep?.....ONS....Tony. > > dear tony, another silly guess, > again he can decide of the relevance of you as a witness or a > questioner; > he does not owe you to be at your every wish and question, > (but you can do something for him at anytime) > so he can let his body look like a slouch; > you say he is withdrawn in meditation; > what do you know? > your attention would be so keen on this and less on your own focus? > my guess is he will tell you everything you did when he "comes back" > (he never went). > you say he is not present to external stimuli, > what does he care? > the question is about your internal stimuli now; > for him, maybe he is having a meeting with gods right now, in this > landscape you are a well perceived factor he doesn't need to take > care of for the moment. (again you can take care of yourself) > > as for sleep; why would you find alright that he submits, let's say > for example, to gravity or feeding; and why would you be so bothered > that when everything around him is so quiet and does not request him > he would adopt yet another bodily posture you call sleep for three or > four hours? > it is all from the external point of view of your guru or your > relationship to him that you assess has been interrupted or is > subject to waning and waxing. > (what is waning and waxing in fact) > you would ask him why he did not look available during this posture > you call sleep and he would say he's been aware about you all the > time (and before you were born); > the same thing if you ask about: "why does he die?" > your own death is a more pressing problem; > the same thing if you complained that now you don't feel the look of > sri ramana on you because you don't see him? > what do we now? it is our responsability to know > in happiness > eric Namaste Eric, That would have been my attempt also but it doesn't answer the question. Mainly; how is it that there is a mind to move into different states of consciousness? I suppose what you are saying is that it is all illusion. Perhaps the programming requires some movement between the three or four states as the body needs food. Also the residual mind may be teaching on different levels.. It is inanswerable........ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 advaitin, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote: > advaitin, "eric paroissien" <peaceisit@a...> > wrote: > > Tony O'Clery wrote: > > > Namaste Eric, > > > > > > Yeah I agree with what you have said about Samadhi. I just > wondered > > > why a Jivanmukti would need to go into obvious withdrawal > > meditation > > > when I thought they were in it all the time, in all states of > > > consciousness....Why do they even need to sleep?.....ONS....Tony. > > > > dear tony, another silly guess, > > again he can decide of the relevance of you as a witness or a > > questioner; > > he does not owe you to be at your every wish and question, > > (but you can do something for him at anytime) > > so he can let his body look like a slouch; > > you say he is withdrawn in meditation; > > what do you know? > > your attention would be so keen on this and less on your own focus? > > my guess is he will tell you everything you did when he "comes back" > > (he never went). > > you say he is not present to external stimuli, > > what does he care? > > the question is about your internal stimuli now; > > for him, maybe he is having a meeting with gods right now, in this > > landscape you are a well perceived factor he doesn't need to take > > care of for the moment. (again you can take care of yourself) > > > > as for sleep; why would you find alright that he submits, let's say > > for example, to gravity or feeding; and why would you be so bothered > > that when everything around him is so quiet and does not request him > > he would adopt yet another bodily posture you call sleep for three > or > > four hours? > > it is all from the external point of view of your guru or your > > relationship to him that you assess has been interrupted or is > > subject to waning and waxing. > > (what is waning and waxing in fact) > > you would ask him why he did not look available during this posture > > you call sleep and he would say he's been aware about you all the > > time (and before you were born); > > the same thing if you ask about: "why does he die?" > > your own death is a more pressing problem; > > the same thing if you complained that now you don't feel the look of > > sri ramana on you because you don't see him? > > what do we now? it is our responsability to know > > in happiness > > eric > > Namaste Eric, > > That would have been my attempt also but it doesn't answer the > question. Mainly; how is it that there is a mind to move into > different states of consciousness? I suppose what you are saying is > that it is all illusion. > Perhaps the programming requires some movement between the three or > four states as the body needs food. Also the residual mind may be > teaching on different levels.. It is inanswerable........ONS...Tony. yes and meaning also that our questions tell more about our personal position to the self that about the object of the question. especially when the object is our subject (laugh!) ttfn eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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