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Tony O'Clery wrote:

> Namaste Eric,

>

> Yeah I agree with what you have said about Samadhi. I just wondered

> why a Jivanmukti would need to go into obvious withdrawal

meditation

> when I thought they were in it all the time, in all states of

> consciousness....Why do they even need to sleep?.....ONS....Tony.

 

dear tony, another silly guess,

again he can decide of the relevance of you as a witness or a

questioner;

he does not owe you to be at your every wish and question,

(but you can do something for him at anytime)

so he can let his body look like a slouch;

you say he is withdrawn in meditation;

what do you know?

your attention would be so keen on this and less on your own focus?

my guess is he will tell you everything you did when he "comes back"

(he never went).

you say he is not present to external stimuli,

what does he care?

the question is about your internal stimuli now;

for him, maybe he is having a meeting with gods right now, in this

landscape you are a well perceived factor he doesn't need to take

care of for the moment. (again you can take care of yourself)

 

as for sleep; why would you find alright that he submits, let's say

for example, to gravity or feeding; and why would you be so bothered

that when everything around him is so quiet and does not request him

he would adopt yet another bodily posture you call sleep for three or

four hours?

it is all from the external point of view of your guru or your

relationship to him that you assess has been interrupted or is

subject to waning and waxing.

(what is waning and waxing in fact)

you would ask him why he did not look available during this posture

you call sleep and he would say he's been aware about you all the

time (and before you were born);

the same thing if you ask about: "why does he die?"

your own death is a more pressing problem;

the same thing if you complained that now you don't feel the look of

sri ramana on you because you don't see him?

what do we now? it is our responsability to know

in happiness

eric

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advaitin, "eric paroissien" <peaceisit@a...>

wrote:

> Tony O'Clery wrote:

> > Namaste Eric,

> >

> > Yeah I agree with what you have said about Samadhi. I just

wondered

> > why a Jivanmukti would need to go into obvious withdrawal

> meditation

> > when I thought they were in it all the time, in all states of

> > consciousness....Why do they even need to sleep?.....ONS....Tony.

>

> dear tony, another silly guess,

> again he can decide of the relevance of you as a witness or a

> questioner;

> he does not owe you to be at your every wish and question,

> (but you can do something for him at anytime)

> so he can let his body look like a slouch;

> you say he is withdrawn in meditation;

> what do you know?

> your attention would be so keen on this and less on your own focus?

> my guess is he will tell you everything you did when he "comes back"

> (he never went).

> you say he is not present to external stimuli,

> what does he care?

> the question is about your internal stimuli now;

> for him, maybe he is having a meeting with gods right now, in this

> landscape you are a well perceived factor he doesn't need to take

> care of for the moment. (again you can take care of yourself)

>

> as for sleep; why would you find alright that he submits, let's say

> for example, to gravity or feeding; and why would you be so bothered

> that when everything around him is so quiet and does not request him

> he would adopt yet another bodily posture you call sleep for three

or

> four hours?

> it is all from the external point of view of your guru or your

> relationship to him that you assess has been interrupted or is

> subject to waning and waxing.

> (what is waning and waxing in fact)

> you would ask him why he did not look available during this posture

> you call sleep and he would say he's been aware about you all the

> time (and before you were born);

> the same thing if you ask about: "why does he die?"

> your own death is a more pressing problem;

> the same thing if you complained that now you don't feel the look of

> sri ramana on you because you don't see him?

> what do we now? it is our responsability to know

> in happiness

> eric

 

Namaste Eric,

 

That would have been my attempt also but it doesn't answer the

question. Mainly; how is it that there is a mind to move into

different states of consciousness? I suppose what you are saying is

that it is all illusion.

Perhaps the programming requires some movement between the three or

four states as the body needs food. Also the residual mind may be

teaching on different levels.. It is inanswerable........ONS...Tony.

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advaitin, "Tony O'Clery" <aoclery> wrote:

> advaitin, "eric paroissien" <peaceisit@a...>

> wrote:

> > Tony O'Clery wrote:

> > > Namaste Eric,

> > >

> > > Yeah I agree with what you have said about Samadhi. I just

> wondered

> > > why a Jivanmukti would need to go into obvious withdrawal

> > meditation

> > > when I thought they were in it all the time, in all states of

> > > consciousness....Why do they even need to

sleep?.....ONS....Tony.

> >

> > dear tony, another silly guess,

> > again he can decide of the relevance of you as a witness or a

> > questioner;

> > he does not owe you to be at your every wish and question,

> > (but you can do something for him at anytime)

> > so he can let his body look like a slouch;

> > you say he is withdrawn in meditation;

> > what do you know?

> > your attention would be so keen on this and less on your own

focus?

> > my guess is he will tell you everything you did when he "comes

back"

> > (he never went).

> > you say he is not present to external stimuli,

> > what does he care?

> > the question is about your internal stimuli now;

> > for him, maybe he is having a meeting with gods right now, in

this

> > landscape you are a well perceived factor he doesn't need to take

> > care of for the moment. (again you can take care of yourself)

> >

> > as for sleep; why would you find alright that he submits, let's

say

> > for example, to gravity or feeding; and why would you be so

bothered

> > that when everything around him is so quiet and does not request

him

> > he would adopt yet another bodily posture you call sleep for

three

> or

> > four hours?

> > it is all from the external point of view of your guru or your

> > relationship to him that you assess has been interrupted or is

> > subject to waning and waxing.

> > (what is waning and waxing in fact)

> > you would ask him why he did not look available during this

posture

> > you call sleep and he would say he's been aware about you all the

> > time (and before you were born);

> > the same thing if you ask about: "why does he die?"

> > your own death is a more pressing problem;

> > the same thing if you complained that now you don't feel the look

of

> > sri ramana on you because you don't see him?

> > what do we now? it is our responsability to know

> > in happiness

> > eric

>

> Namaste Eric,

>

> That would have been my attempt also but it doesn't answer the

> question. Mainly; how is it that there is a mind to move into

> different states of consciousness? I suppose what you are saying is

> that it is all illusion.

> Perhaps the programming requires some movement between the three or

> four states as the body needs food. Also the residual mind may be

> teaching on different levels.. It is inanswerable........ONS...Tony.

 

yes and meaning also that our questions tell more about our personal

position to the self that about the object of the question.

especially when the object is our subject (laugh!)

ttfn

eric

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