Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 advaitin, bhaskar.yr@i... wrote: > > praNAm prabhuji > Hare Krishna > > I've couple of questions prabhuji. > > > In Shankara's roadmap, Grace is an integral part and without Grace, > Shankara says there can be no Self-realization. Namaste, Realisation is programmed, Grace is good karma that's all. If the fruit is ripe it will drop if it isn't it won't quite simple really.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 advaitin, Benjamin Root <orion777ben> wrote: Namaste, There is no free will only freedom to imagine it.......ONS...Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 Namaste Tony! >Realisation is programmed, Grace is good karma that's all. If the >fruit is ripe it will drop if it isn't it won't quite simple >really.......ONS...Tony. > >There is no free will only freedom to imagine it.......ONS...Tony. Yes, this is what I was trying to say. If Samsara (the pre-Moksha illusion of reality) is controlled by Dharma (universal law), as the scriptures tell us, then what you say seems inevitable to me. The idea of free Grace appearing out of nowhere for no reason seems to me difficult to reconcile (though I wouldn't refuse it!). >It is a huge gulf between the later and more influential greek >philosophers and Vedanta. So big that most westerners cannot grasp >it.......ONS....Tony. Again, a lot of truth in this. But please be a bit more generous with Plato, Plotinus, Spinoza, etc., who definitely had their 'mystical' side which bore at least some similarity to Vedanta. And then Meister Eckhart definitely resembles Shankara. I am prepared to defend him as zealously as Berkeley (but will resist the temptation). If there is any spiritual thinker of the West which Advaitins should check out, it is definitely the Meister. Om! Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 advaitin, Benjamin Root <orion777ben> > > Again, a lot of truth in this. But please be a bit more generous > with Plato, Plotinus, Spinoza, etc., who definitely had their > 'mystical' side which bore at least some similarity to Vedanta. And > then Meister Eckhart definitely resembles Shankara. Namaste B, Yes I liked Baruch Spinoza and Teilhard de Chardin, before I went east so to speak. Pythagoras ( pita guru?) is interesting and so obviously is Plato but it didn't last long did it. Eckart was a mystic not a philosopher per se......I find nothing going beyond the concept of SagunaSakti if even that, event the idea of transcendental god is really a god with attributes.......ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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