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advaitin, bhaskar.yr@i... wrote:

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> praNAm prabhuji

> Hare Krishna

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> I've couple of questions prabhuji.

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> In Shankara's roadmap, Grace is an integral part and without Grace,

> Shankara says there can be no Self-realization.

 

Namaste,

 

Realisation is programmed, Grace is good karma that's all. If the

fruit is ripe it will drop if it isn't it won't quite simple

really.......ONS...Tony.

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Namaste Tony!

>Realisation is programmed, Grace is good karma that's all. If the

>fruit is ripe it will drop if it isn't it won't quite simple

>really.......ONS...Tony.

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>There is no free will only freedom to imagine it.......ONS...Tony.

 

Yes, this is what I was trying to say. If Samsara (the pre-Moksha

illusion of reality) is controlled by Dharma (universal law), as the

scriptures tell us, then what you say seems inevitable to me. The

idea of free Grace appearing out of nowhere for no reason seems to me

difficult to reconcile (though I wouldn't refuse it!).

 

>It is a huge gulf between the later and more influential greek

>philosophers and Vedanta. So big that most westerners cannot grasp

>it.......ONS....Tony.

 

Again, a lot of truth in this. But please be a bit more generous

with Plato, Plotinus, Spinoza, etc., who definitely had their

'mystical' side which bore at least some similarity to Vedanta. And

then Meister Eckhart definitely resembles Shankara. I am prepared to

defend him as zealously as Berkeley (but will resist the temptation).

If there is any spiritual thinker of the West which Advaitins should

check out, it is definitely the Meister.

 

Om!

Benjamin

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advaitin, Benjamin Root <orion777ben> >

> Again, a lot of truth in this. But please be a bit more generous

> with Plato, Plotinus, Spinoza, etc., who definitely had their

> 'mystical' side which bore at least some similarity to Vedanta.

And

> then Meister Eckhart definitely resembles Shankara.

 

Namaste B,

 

Yes I liked Baruch Spinoza and Teilhard de Chardin, before I went

east so to speak. Pythagoras ( pita guru?) is interesting and so

obviously is Plato but it didn't last long did it. Eckart was a

mystic not a philosopher per se......I find nothing going beyond the

concept of SagunaSakti if even that, event the idea of transcendental

god is really a god with attributes.......ONS..Tony.

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