Mind Sees Things before they appear!

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As the mind becomes pure of all thoughts, images and impressions, the conscious

mind (the consciousness of "I") and the subconscious mind (the storehouse of

images, and impressions that make up the sense of identity to the "notional

"i")merge, and in the process the body becomes etheric, and you see as a screen

of 3 dimensional consciousness in a field (that extends beyond and includes the

body without distinction) of utter stillness, within which everything is simply

One.

 

As the mind continues to abide in stillness and radiance, this pure mind impacts

the unconscious, and the field itself begins to dissolve, and the manner in

which the mind actually sees and knows is experienced, without a sense of a

doer.

 

The experience is as you describe it. In this experience, the "old" mind (of

thought, conjecture, impression, images and intention) is integrated into the

True Identity, while having little use to see and know.

 

No need to the Yoga Sutras (and a number of other non-dual texts) to verify

this. as it is the experience of everyone, whose mind even begins to become

pure.

 

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Message: 1

Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:46:17 -0000

"Tony O'Clery" <aoclery

Re: Mind Sees Things before they appear!

 

Namaste, Nothing new!!IMO.

 

The mind sees in the brain/mind but the mind actually goes out and takes the

form of the object before it sees it in the brain. Check out the Sutras of

Patanjali on this.......ONS...Tony.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste Tony,

I would think Patanjali might be talking about this as a form of

Siddha. I haven't read the actual text though. So I am not sure what

this has said exactly. These experiments were not mentioned to be

with any kind of spiritual people.

Thanks and Best Regards

Guruprasad

> The mind sees in the brain/mind but the mind actually goes out and

> takes the form of the object before it sees it in the brain. Check

> out the Sutras of Patanjali on this.......ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

Namaste.

 

Very interesting discussion indeed, what with the insightful comments

offered by Sadaji, Prof. Krishnamurthyji, Michael (although I must

confess he was beyond me in certain areas), Tonyji et al and,

finally, by Pietersaji.

 

As an advaitin, I cannot resist asking the ultimate question: Did the

minds of the experimenters (assuming from Guruprasadji's original

post that there were more than one) react before the reactions of the

subjects were `apparent'? If the results of the experiment are

valid, then the logical inference is that they did react before the

results were known or, in other words, they verily projected the

results.

 

That inference brings in another problem. How did the consensus come

about between the experimenters? They `evidenced' the same

reactions! That leads us back to our Guruprasadji, who reported the

experiment to us and then irreversibly back to me who happened to

greedily lap up this whole discussion. It cannot go any further down

from that point as I sit projecting and withdrawing like the lord of

the scriptural drama "Mricchakatikam" (correct me please) who

witnesses the danseuse perform in the stage light and abides

in 'himself' in the brilliance of the light even and ever after her

exit from the stage. All experiments and their results like the

danseuse and the king should ultimately end up in the LIGHT

absolutely resolved.

 

Is this not sufficient for an advaitin? Or, is this sheer gibberish?

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote:

> Namaste Tony,

> I would think Patanjali might be talking about this as a form of

> Siddha. I haven't read the actual text though. So I am not sure

what

> this has said exactly. These experiments were not mentioned to be

> with any kind of spiritual people.

> Thanks and Best Regards

> Guruprasad

>

> > The mind sees in the brain/mind but the mind actually goes out

and

> > takes the form of the object before it sees it in the brain.

Check

> > out the Sutras of Patanjali on this.......ONS...Tony.

 

Namaste,

 

I think he was talking of the normal function not siddhis. It is just

that science at this point cannot measure the subtle energies that

are interacting. I cannot remember the exact text but I will see if I

can come across it. It is a pretty accepted explanation in Vedanta

anyway..'that the mind goes out and takes the form of the

object'......ONS...Tony.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Nairji,

> As an advaitin, I cannot resist asking the ultimate question: Did

the

> minds of the experimenters (assuming from Guruprasadji's original

> post that there were more than one) react before the reactions of

the

> subjects were `apparent'? If the results of the experiment are

> valid, then the logical inference is that they did react before

the

> results were known or, in other words, they verily projected the

> results.

>

> That inference brings in another problem. How did the consensus

come

> about between the experimenters? They `evidenced' the same

> reactions! That leads us back to our Guruprasadji, who reported

the

> experiment to us and then irreversibly back to me who happened to

> greedily lap up this whole discussion.

 

Yes. The minds were said to react 'before' the actual objects were

seen. This is what caught my attention very much.

I read this in this web site http://www.consciousness.arizona.edu/ .

It was in one of the online papers they have provided in this

university site. Quite a lot of research on consciousness and mind

topics. Unfortunately I don't remember the exact paper in which this

exact experiment was reported. You might stumble upon it if you just

look around for a while.

 

Best Regards

Guruprasad