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Namaste to all advaitins,

 

Is "Yogatharavali" really a work of Adi Sankaracharya?

 

Hari Om

 

 

-

Ralph Nataraj

 

 

Something else that I am curious about is whether everything that has to do

with kundalini (including the science of chakras) is rejected by serious

Advaitins or is it Oincluded¹ and embraced / expounded upon?

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Namaste Shri Ralph Nataraj.

 

The following may not be an expert's comments on your queries. But,

if the commonsense in them helps, I would be more than happy. My

remarks are in brackets in the body of your text.

 

advaitin, Ralph Nataraj <108@p...> wrote:

> I would be interested to discuss with other people on the list the

> differences in Advaita-Vedanta and non-dual Kashmir Saivism.

>

> Another topic that interests me is to know more about the life of

the great

> Adi Shankar as the unsurpassable Advaita-philosopher and at the

same time

> being a tantric. The authorship of the Saundaryalahari is often

contributed

> to him and this is a tantric text of great depth.

 

[Yes. Saundaryalahari was authored by Sankara. The currently

ongoing discussion on that beautiful work led by Prof.

Krishnamurthyji should clarify your doubts. Although not a tantrik

in the complete sense, I am a devotee of Mother and I can vouch from

personal experience that my devotion to Her has enriched my advaitic

leanings.]

>

> Also I wonder what scholars on this list think of the many Advaita-

teachers

> who declare that no sadhana or practise is necessary while it is

known that

> Adi Shankar lived in a tremenous bhakti, engaged in profound study

and

> difficult sadhana living as a strict and celibate monk.

 

[if bhakti is understood in its true sense as advaitic love to all

creation, i.e. I love myself without any want for rewards and, since

everything is me, I am spontaneously in love with everything without

want for rewards, all modern teachers are true bhaktAs. That they

engage themselves in constant contemplation and reflection on Truth

itself is sAdhana. The difference is that, in a tantrik or a Devi

devotee, the Devi Herself is identified as the Truth (Consciousness)

that he/she really is.]

>

> Many of these modern and western teachers give satsangs with a

photo of

> Ramana Maharishi whom they never met. It is known that Ramana

received his

> name (Ramana Maharishi) from his foremost disciple Ganapati Muni

who was

> indisputably a great tantric possessing e.g. all the knowledge (and

boons)

> of the Mahavidya¹s.

 

[Doesn't the fact that a great tAntrik found light in the presence of

an advaitin, then speak volumes about the connection between Devi

devotion and advaita? Isn't BhagwAn Ramana's cherubic smile a symbol

of Enlightenment? What could then be more Graceful for an advaitic

satsangh than His smiling picture?]

>

> In addition I would be interested to hear from the esteemed members

about

> the practise of worshipping the divine Mother at the different

seats in

> India of the Shankaracharya¹s, of whom I visited two. Where does

this fit in

> to what became known as Advaita-philosophy in the West?

 

[Well. The Devi is everywhere at all times as the ever-present

Consciousness - chid-shakti chEtanArUpA. She is very much in the

Netherlands too! Will that save some airfare? Of course, I

understand that there are recognized shakti-kUtas in India and we are

very nostalgic about them. If you have ichchAshakti (which verily

She is because She is called ichchAshakti-jnAnashakti-kriyAshakti

swarUpini), you can have them in the Netherlands too. May the Mother

shower Her Grace on you.]

>

> Another question that I have is whether you conceive or experience

mysticism

> to be part of Advaita-Vedanta and the guru-sisya parampara. It is

estimated

> that Adi Shankar authored the Vivekacudamani at the age of nine or

eleven.

> That is from a human standpoint almost impossible and it looks to

me (e.g. I

> sense) that the guru speaks through the disciple in which case it

can also

> be considered to be a revelation of Lord Shiva. What are the

official

> viewpoints from Advaita scholars and experts on this matter if I

may ask?

 

[Well. I have come across many scholars who question the story that

Sankara accomplished all that he did within a span of about 32

years. Is the story that important when he has provided an ocean for

us to delve in and reach at the pearls!? From commonsense point of

view, all advaitic knowledge and insights that we gain through our

efforts at study, listening, contemplation and reflection are in fact

revelations, because they don't come about without Her Grace. ('Her'

here represents Lord Shiva also. Please read Prof. Krishnamurthyji's

posts on Soundarya Lahari where it has been brilliantly concluded

that Shiva and Shakti are one and the same.)]

>

> Something else that I am curious about is whether everything that

has to do

> with kundalini (including the science of chakras) is rejected by

serious

> Advaitins or is it Œincluded¹ and embraced / expounded upon?

 

[Kundalini is none other than Shakti - Mother (taTillatAsamaruchi

shadchakropari samstitAh - like lighting pervading the six chakrAs -

in LalitA sahasranAmAvali). To my understanding, the chakrAs are a

symbolic visualization that aids the aspirant to advaitic heights and

the enhanced tactile experiences that culminate in bliss are boons

(the expression of Her Grace) en-route Self-realization. Personal

experience suggests that, even without a shad-cakra visualization, a

Devi devotee can experience enhanced tactility as in Kundalini

practice. I may be questioned here for sure but can't help

expressing this view based purely on my current understanding of this

complex area of spirituality.]

>

> It is always difficult to find the most appropriate words to

express a

> sincere question and english is my second language. I look forward

to hear

> from some of you.

 

[Don't worry. You have expressed yourself well. Don't have the

feeling you have expressed anything. It is She (vAgdEvatA) who does

that and if you write with that faith, you will be very intelligible

to everyone. This is an advaitic tip coming from a Devi devotee.

Devi and advaita are inseparable! Both can be found in one unity in

every moment of our everyday life.]

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

AUM NAMAH SHIVAYA

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advaitin, Ralph Nataraj <108@p...> wrote:>

> Something else that I am curious about is whether everything that

has to do

> with kundalini (including the science of chakras) is rejected by

serious

> Advaitins or is it Œincluded¹ and embraced / expounded upon?

>

>

>

> Ralph Nataraj

>

 

Namaste. Welcome to Ralph Nataraj-ji. For many of the questions you

have raised about advaita's attitude to Tantric worship , I suggest

you may study the Paramacharya's Discourses on Soundaryalahari, a

summary of which I am presenting (as a series) as close to the

original as I can. I think you will be more than interested to read

it from the beginning (that is, from DPDS - 01 -- Message No.18425

(#18144 in the archives)). Particularly on your above question on

Kundalini, wait till you see the ensuing posts.The Paramacharya is

answering your questions in his own inimitable style.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

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