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Namaskar

I have a question regarding a spiritual aspirant going through his

sadhana .

while Brahman is said to be only Nirguna, the effect of all

Sadhana's would only be to Maya, would it not ? At least, it appears

to me so. so why should one even attempt at any sadhana ? Is it to

cut through the maze of maya ? Is it to get the divine grace of Maya

so that my true state will be visible to me ? Or is any kind of

seeking itself wrong in the first place!! ?

why should one chant the sahasranama ? Isn't just one Om enough ?

even that seems futile in the attempt sometimes. maybe the futility

is itself born out of wrong notions! or wrong understanding.

 

I know that my questions would certainly have been answered by

acharyas. I do not know why anybody has to go through his sadhana.

But I realize that this seems to be the only way out. I appreciate

the learned members comments.

please note that I am not criticizing anything here. just asking to

get my doubts cleared.

 

Om Tat Sat

Guruprasad

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Excellent questions!

 

Love,

Harsha

 

 

advaitin, "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote:

> Namaskar

> I have a question regarding a spiritual aspirant going through his

> sadhana .

> while Brahman is said to be only Nirguna, the effect of all

> Sadhana's would only be to Maya, would it not ? At least, it

appears

> to me so. so why should one even attempt at any sadhana ? Is it to

> cut through the maze of maya ? Is it to get the divine grace of

Maya

> so that my true state will be visible to me ? Or is any kind of

> seeking itself wrong in the first place!! ?

> why should one chant the sahasranama ? Isn't just one Om enough ?

> even that seems futile in the attempt sometimes. maybe the futility

> is itself born out of wrong notions! or wrong understanding.

>

> I know that my questions would certainly have been answered by

> acharyas. I do not know why anybody has to go through his sadhana.

> But I realize that this seems to be the only way out. I appreciate

> the learned members comments.

> please note that I am not criticizing anything here. just asking to

> get my doubts cleared.

>

> Om Tat Sat

> Guruprasad

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Namaskar.

 

Yes. All sAdhana is in the transactional. All scriptures are in the

transactional. All gurus are in the transactional. The idea of

liberation too is in the transactional. As long as all these are seen

as other than me, why not play the game as prescribed in order to

realize at the end that no game was ever played, because the game

including all its elements like the gurus, scriptures, efforts etc.

was none other than me and, if the game was really me, I couldn't

have 'played' it at all. There is simply no other way out for

those who still experience duality.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote:

> Namaskar

> I have a question regarding a spiritual aspirant going through his

> sadhana .

> while Brahman is said to be only Nirguna, the effect of all

> Sadhana's would only be to Maya, would it not ? At least, it

appears

> to me so. so why should one even attempt at any sadhana ?

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shri v_vedanti wrote on sunday , 24 Aug 2003

 

> Namaskar

> I have a question regarding a spiritual aspirant going through

> his sadhana .

> while Brahman is said to be only Nirguna, the effect of all

> Sadhana's would only be to Maya, would it not ? At least, it appears

> to me so. so why should one even attempt at any sadhana ? Is it to

> cut through the maze of maya ? Is it to get the divine grace of Maya

> so that my true state will be visible to me ? Or is any kind of

> seeking itself wrong in the first place!! ?

> why should one chant the sahasranama ? Isn't just one Om enough ?

> even that seems futile in the attempt sometimes. maybe the futility

> is itself born out of wrong notions! or wrong understanding.

> I know that my questions would certainly have been answered by

> acharyas. I do not know why anybody has to go through his sadhana.

> But I realize that this seems to be the only way out. I appreciate

> the learned members comments.

> please note that I am not criticizing anything here. just asking to

> get my doubts cleared.

> Om Tat Sat

> Guruprasad

 

 

namaste.

 

pardon the delay in responding to this, but only just now,

I am going through some of the mails thoroughly. I notice

I put this mail for response at that time but I am venturing

into responding to this only now.

 

 

sAdhana is cultivation, cultivation of the mind. Just like

a well-cultivated ground becomes fertile in course of time and

will be ideal location for growth of useful vegetables, similarly,

a well-cultivated mind (antahkaraNa) is ideal for jnAnam to dawn

(kaTha u. chapter 2; I can give the verse number after referring

to the text)

 

Proper sAdhana will make the thoughts pure and pure antahkaraNa

is the essential requirement for jnAnodayam. Proper sAdhana will

get the mind into control of the intellect. If the intellect has

viveka, the controlled mind can be cultivated properly. It becomes

ideal ground for sAttwic guNA-s and also, such well-cultivated mind

controls the sense organs. kaTha upanishad's chariot analogy is

relevant in this context. In that analogy, the horses are the

senses, the reins the mind, the charioteer is the buddhi (intellect),

the chariot is the physical body, the owner of the chariot is the

jIvA. If the charioteer properly controls the reins, the chariot can

be steered to the appropriate destination. sAdhna, the controlling of

the reins is the critical part of this spiritual journey. Thus, the

importance of sAdhana cannot be minimized. But, we have to understand

in this context what the proper sAdhana is.

 

Regards

Gummuluru Murthy

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advaitin, Gummuluru Murthy <gmurthy@m...>

wrote:

> shri v_vedanti wrote on sunday , 24 Aug 2003

> > I have a question regarding a spiritual aspirant going through

> > his sadhana .

> > while Brahman is said to be only Nirguna, the effect of all

> > Sadhana's would only be to Maya, would it not ? At least, it

appears

> > to me so. so why should one even attempt at any sadhana ? Is it

to

> > cut through the maze of maya ? Is it to get the divine grace of

Maya

> > so that my true state will be visible to me ? Or is any kind of

> > seeking itself wrong in the first place!! ?

> > why should one chant the sahasranama ? Isn't just one Om enough ?

> > even that seems futile in the attempt sometimes. maybe the

futility

> > is itself born out of wrong notions! or wrong understanding.

>

> > I know that my questions would certainly have been answered by

> > acharyas. I do not know why anybody has to go through his

sadhana.

> > But I realize that this seems to be the only way out. I

appreciate

> > the learned members comments.

> > please note that I am not criticizing anything here. just asking

to

> > get my doubts cleared.

>

> > Om Tat Sat

> > Guruprasad

>

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Namaste Guruprasadji

 

Your questions are legitimate. To supplement the answers given by

Murthygaru, let me point out that most of the answers to your

questions are contained in the Soundaryalahari Digest which presents

the Paramacharya's Discourses in serial form. Particularly I want to

draw your attention to DPDS #s 2, 3, 9, 12 and 13 for the answers to

the questions you ask. The Paramacharya has anticipated most of

your questions. Nos.9 and 13 specifically contains the answers to

your important questionsabout Sadhana and Maya. In fact I would

presume you are perusing through the whole series. A full reading of

the entire series would be worthwhile.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins.

profvk

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I apologize Sri Krishnamurhiji. the subject for my earlier post was

supposed to be "Re: Spiritual Sadhana and Maya " and not on

the 'Soundaryalahari posting'. I replied to the wrong post.

 

regards

Guruprasad

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Namaste. My comments are in [ ].

 

advaitin, "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote:

>

> Murthyji wrote :

> Thus, the importance of sAdhana cannot be minimized. But, we have

to > understand in this context what the proper sAdhana is.

> __________________

>

> I quite agree with you. however, my contention is, any sadhana is

> only to remove the ignorance and bring mental strength in the

> individual to face the truth. Because even Ishwara is said to be

> unreal because it exists only temporarily.

 

[ 'temporarily' in what sense? Only in the cosmological sense ]

>And Mind - Body not being

> the real, the results of any Sadhana goes to who ? To nobody.

 

[ When you say 'Mind-Body not being real', then the Sadhana also

which is done by the mind and body cannot be real. So the 'unreal'

Sadhana goes to the 'unreal' mind, just as drinking water in dream

quenches the thirst in the dream.

> Krishnamurthiji wrote :

> I want to draw your attention to DPDS #s 2, 3, 9, 12 and 13 for

the

> answers to

> the questions you ask. The Paramacharya has anticipated most of

> your questions. Nos.9 and 13 specifically contains the answers to

> your important questionsabout Sadhana and Maya. In fact I would

> presume you are perusing through the whole series. A full reading

of

> the entire series would be worthwhile.

>

>

> I went through some topics in your postings and would like to say

> with all due respects that

>

> Soundaryalahari seems to me to be more like a book on Siva /

Shakti

> than Advaitam of Sri Shankaracharya.

 

[so what? Is the topic of Siva Shakti something not worthwhile?

Please remember that advaitam, without bhakti, is only gymnastics

with words. Can you point out a single great advaitin, old or

modern, without an ingrained bhakti in him? And also please note

that the Paramacharya has been the greatest advaitin of modern

times. So just because Soundaryalahari talks about Shiva and

Shakti, please do not discard that]

 

> I will go through the topics you have mentioned and will come back

> with my questions. If I may add, its a tremendous effort and I'm

> sure its being thanked by a lot of people.

 

[Thank you ]

> I was planning to ask if you had any plans to write on Vishnu

> Sahasranama at any time.

 

[Please see

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/1207.html

and several succeeding web pages.]

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

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On Namah Sivaya.

 

Dear Provk:

 

This line you wrote rings so true, and it is something that I feel

we must all try always to remember. Swami Sivananda taught us all this

constantly.

 

Please remember that advaitam, without bhakti, is only gymnastics with words.

 

Thank you for so succinctly expressing this truth.

 

Peace and Love Always,

Sarojini

-

V. Krishnamurthy

advaitin

Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:17 PM

Re: Spiritual Sadhana and Maya

 

 

Namaste. My comments are in [ ].

 

advaitin, "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote:

>

> Murthyji wrote :

> Thus, the importance of sAdhana cannot be minimized. But, we have

to > understand in this context what the proper sAdhana is.

> __________________

>

> I quite agree with you. however, my contention is, any sadhana is

> only to remove the ignorance and bring mental strength in the

> individual to face the truth. Because even Ishwara is said to be

> unreal because it exists only temporarily.

 

[ 'temporarily' in what sense? Only in the cosmological sense ]

>And Mind - Body not being

> the real, the results of any Sadhana goes to who ? To nobody.

 

[ When you say 'Mind-Body not being real', then the Sadhana also

which is done by the mind and body cannot be real. So the 'unreal'

Sadhana goes to the 'unreal' mind, just as drinking water in dream

quenches the thirst in the dream.

> Krishnamurthiji wrote :

> I want to draw your attention to DPDS #s 2, 3, 9, 12 and 13 for

the

> answers to

> the questions you ask. The Paramacharya has anticipated most of

> your questions. Nos.9 and 13 specifically contains the answers to

> your important questionsabout Sadhana and Maya. In fact I would

> presume you are perusing through the whole series. A full reading

of

> the entire series would be worthwhile.

>

>

> I went through some topics in your postings and would like to say

> with all due respects that

>

> Soundaryalahari seems to me to be more like a book on Siva /

Shakti

> than Advaitam of Sri Shankaracharya.

 

[so what? Is the topic of Siva Shakti something not worthwhile?

Please remember that advaitam, without bhakti, is only gymnastics

with words. Can you point out a single great advaitin, old or

modern, without an ingrained bhakti in him? And also please note

that the Paramacharya has been the greatest advaitin of modern

times. So just because Soundaryalahari talks about Shiva and

Shakti, please do not discard that]

 

> I will go through the topics you have mentioned and will come back

> with my questions. If I may add, its a tremendous effort and I'm

> sure its being thanked by a lot of people.

 

[Thank you ]

> I was planning to ask if you had any plans to write on Vishnu

> Sahasranama at any time.

 

[Please see

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/1207.html

and several succeeding web pages.]

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

Advaitam does not mean there is no Bhakti. In fact, Advaitam leads to Parama

Bhakti and it is not any conditional Bhakti.

This is my understanding.

Hari Om

R.S.Mani

 

Sarojini <Yoga wrote:

On Namah Sivaya.

 

Dear Provk:

 

This line you wrote rings so true, and it is something that I feel

we must all try always to remember. Swami Sivananda taught us all this

constantly.

 

Please remember that advaitam, without bhakti, is only gymnastics with words.

 

Thank you for so succinctly expressing this truth.

 

Peace and Love Always,

Sarojini

-

V. Krishnamurthy

advaitin

Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:17 PM

Re: Spiritual Sadhana and Maya

 

 

Namaste. My comments are in [ ].

 

advaitin, "v_vedanti" <v_vedanti> wrote:

>

> Murthyji wrote :

> Thus, the importance of sAdhana cannot be minimized. But, we have

to > understand in this context what the proper sAdhana is.

> __________________

>

> I quite agree with you. however, my contention is, any sadhana is

> only to remove the ignorance and bring mental strength in the

> individual to face the truth. Because even Ishwara is said to be

> unreal because it exists only temporarily.

 

[ 'temporarily' in what sense? Only in the cosmological sense ]

>And Mind - Body not being

> the real, the results of any Sadhana goes to who ? To nobody.

 

[ When you say 'Mind-Body not being real', then the Sadhana also

which is done by the mind and body cannot be real. So the 'unreal'

Sadhana goes to the 'unreal' mind, just as drinking water in dream

quenches the thirst in the dream.

> Krishnamurthiji wrote :

> I want to draw your attention to DPDS #s 2, 3, 9, 12 and 13 for

the

> answers to

> the questions you ask. The Paramacharya has anticipated most of

> your questions. Nos.9 and 13 specifically contains the answers to

> your important questionsabout Sadhana and Maya. In fact I would

> presume you are perusing through the whole series. A full reading

of

> the entire series would be worthwhile.

>

>

> I went through some topics in your postings and would like to say

> with all due respects that

>

> Soundaryalahari seems to me to be more like a book on Siva /

Shakti

> than Advaitam of Sri Shankaracharya.

 

[so what? Is the topic of Siva Shakti something not worthwhile?

Please remember that advaitam, without bhakti, is only gymnastics

with words. Can you point out a single great advaitin, old or

modern, without an ingrained bhakti in him? And also please note

that the Paramacharya has been the greatest advaitin of modern

times. So just because Soundaryalahari talks about Shiva and

Shakti, please do not discard that]

 

> I will go through the topics you have mentioned and will come back

> with my questions. If I may add, its a tremendous effort and I'm

> sure its being thanked by a lot of people.

 

[Thank you ]

> I was planning to ask if you had any plans to write on Vishnu

> Sahasranama at any time.

 

[Please see

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/1207.html

and several succeeding web pages.]

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

 

 

 

 

Sponsor

 

 

 

 

Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman

and Brahman.

Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/

To Post a message send an email to : advaitin

Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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