Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 i was quite amused to see a discussion with me in it. i face same problems that most young aspirants face. family not understanding them my parents forever are concerned that i should not lose track of my life. i agree, but then i ask what use what will i gain by doing all these . what use. i for one do not believe that philosophy is the domain of those who have spent their life. it is in domain of action of youngsters like me. what use of learning about life after one lives it out. if u look at our upanishads. we have striplings like nachiketa , markandeya,ashtavakra who were towering scholars even in their youth. today is but the beggining, many in my generation have started thinking questioning our basic beliefs. soon with coming generations we shall see new spiritual awakening as a global phenomenon. intrestingly nostradamus says that with dawn of new millenium which he calls the age of aquarius spiritual awakening will take place. and he also takes about someone who he calls the great genius who will integrate science and philosophy< hopefully advaita> i want add some observations of mine i find that philosophy is usually the domain of the male sex i am not being sexist but i find more men into it than women why is this. can i pose a question in the matter of vyavaharika . from all your discussions i feel the following, i would be pleased to know if my reasoning is right or wrong. now the experience of self is possible in the paramartha state, all of us are in vyayaharika , then we can never say with great confidence what is the experience of self. i can use the simple situation that we find in physics in which two observers have different explanation for same phenomenon . when an inertial observer sees a pendulum moving in an accelerated frame of reference he says that pendulum is acted upon by only tension and weight of bob and says that acceleration of sphere is same as that af the frame whereas the observer in accelerated frame uses fictitious forces to explain it . similar is our situation e i also find experience of god very questionable, budha said ti have experienced it his word are atheist, many saints have experienced it, they say vishnu is ultimate so is siva et al christians say it is holy ghost, how can all be reconciled. i feel these doubts n more will surface forever. i feel the right wau to pursue is to perfect yourself we as such are imperfect beings, our thinking process is not perfect we are capable of commiting a lot of logical errors. egs ptolemies geocentricism, n the myriad of indian philosphies all based on same scriptures the vedas and upasnishads. now all these confusion can be easily removed if thought process is perfected. since there are many wise and learned people in this group. i would ask u to advise me. .. how can we ever be sure of anything unless we have perfect system of reasoning. now how does one attain perfect system of reasoning . this is my doubt. k kaushic engineering year 1 national university of singapore Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 kaushic kalyan <kaushickalyanraman wrote:i feel the right wau to pursue is to perfect yourself we as such are imperfect beings, Good Evening Kaushic, I have followed this conversation and maintained respectful silence until now when I decided to pronounce you 'Wrong' in the above. You are Self, Atman, Brahman, call It what you will. All that is going to happen in the future years is that you will remove, through knowledge and devotion with a single-pointed intellect and discrimination, the ignorance in which you presently appear to be immersed, just like the rest of us so welcome to the club. Sorry, but I am yet another old man....more ignorance you see.....who asks his students to hang on to the ideals that emerge after that first entry into the age of responsibilty for one's own actions at 16 years of age. At about 18 I read the following which I pass on to you now. It comes from a speech by Emerson to students at Dartmouth College in the US. I am paraphrasing him as it has been more than 45 years since I read it: 'You will be taught that you must go out and get a wife and family, a house and a car and a boat and many other things but I tell you to go out and seek Truth. Be of service to society and when you need help, society will look after you.' Translating that into Gita language: Sacrifice to the devas before eating. This does not mean that you do not acquire all these things but that whatever you do, seek the truth through vairagya. Now for the real oldie looking back comment. It is quite amazing from this end of a lifetime that you can look back and see how the most random events, seemingly without connection at the time, were all strings being pulled by a single hand; there is pattern in the chaos as it were. Now where have you heard that before? Finally, a guide could also be from my own countryman, Shakespeare, who wrote: 'Unto your own self be true.' Just seek to discriminate non-self from Self and honour that Self in your parents. Good luck with it all, the seeds planted in your heart through such questioning will come to fruition, be sure of that. Ken Knight The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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