Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 On 9/30/03 06:56 pm Benjamin Root (orion777ben) wrote: But I draw a further conclusion from relativity, which nobody else seems to. If measurements of the same events differ for different observers, then this can only mean that there CANNOT be any objective reality outside of consciousness corresponding to the events. For example, if the measurement of the length of a rod is different for different observers, then there cannot be a 'real' and unique material rod external to the observers, which they are all looking at. ===============Historically, the variability of observation was always a tool in the idealist's shed. "Table appearances" aren't ever the same from one glance to the next. The light changes, one's position changes, visual acuity changes, etc. The "table" is rectangular once glance, quadrilateral another, perspective shifting, etc. There's simply no evidence that there is anything fixed out there. So a construct is projected to account for these appearances. The "table" emerges as a construct created and projected, based upon these observations. But idealism can run into problems. It treats tables and chairs one way, and treats observers another way. It is more lenient in allowing other observers than it is allowing tables and chairs. This is because idealism carries the residues of the classic cartesian dualism and also wants to avoid solipsism. That is, in a vague and oft-unexamined way, idealism locates consciousness inside the observer (this makes no sense, for how can something immaterial be inside anything? And just what kind of thing is it inside?). So idealism allows there to be Smith's consciousness as well as Jones' consciousness. Smith, even though he is an idealist, allows Jones existence by granting validity to Jones' observations equal to the validity of his own. If Smith applied the very same criteria to Jones as to the table, Smith would worry about solipsism. So to avoid this, he sneakily allows Jones to exist, but not the table. This is an inconsistency which advaita never has, since consciousness is not divided, and there aren't more than one. Any observer is inside consciousness, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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