Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Namaste All, I am quite confused with the Mahavakya “Aham Brahma Asmi” Many teachers say it is an “Anubhava” Vakya. That means it has to be after the Anubhava or Experience. Who says this “Aham Brahma Asmi”? It cannot be the ignorant I, EGO. It cannot be the realized I or the I who has “experienced” Its oneness with Consciousness, because for Consciousness cannot talk, though it is “vacho vachaha”. The Salt doll is no more there to say this once it entered into the ocean to measure the depth of the ocean. During such experience where is that “I” who can say this? If the “I” says it after the so-called experience of Atma, it reduces such an “experience” to be something borne in time and ended in time. Any experience has a start, has an end. Moksha is Infinite and being infinite, it is available even to the ignorant ones, but they do not have the knowledge of it. It is “nitya upalabdhaha”. If Moksha or even self-knowledge means something subject to experience, it is finite as it is time bound. “I am a man” it is a piece of knowledge. Is there any special experience required to know that? The knowledge that “I am a man” reflects in my action. Similarly “I am Brahman” is a piece of knowledge unfolded by the Upanishads alone, (surely the most desirable knowledge one should have,) but is it necessary or is it possible to experience “ consciousness” i.e. Brahman, because one is already experiencing it every second. Yes, the knowledge should reflect in the actions of the knower i.e. I. So long as the body is there, and the effects of prarabdha continue, dwaita has to be tackled, though it is Mithya. After the body falls, what happens to the Atma or soul, no one knows. It is while living only one has to live in heaven, i.e. with total contentment and satisfaction, happiness, which alone results in total inner peace for the living I, the enlightened I, and is that not we are all hankering after. Is that not Moksham? What is the purpose of Life? A question asked by Swamiji. Many answers came, such as for getting salvation, for making money, for becoming popular, for serving others, for being happy, for serving God, for getting Moksha, etc. No body said, “the purpose of life is for living”. What sort of living? Here comes Vedanta. It is through unfolding self-knowledge makes you to live in such a way so that what you seek is always available with you i.e. No more seeking. “Om Shanti” does not come from the lips, but as a result of deep understanding “Aham Brahma Asmi” i.e. from the enlightened I, enlightened EGO. I am as usual subject to correction, With Hari Om Mani The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > > > > > > Namaste All, > > I am quite confused with the Mahavakya “Aham Brahma Asmi” > > Many teachers say it is an “Anubhava” Vakya. That means it has to be > after the Anubhava or Experience. > > Who says this “Aham Brahma Asmi”? > > It cannot be the ignorant I, EGO. > > It cannot be the realized I or the I who has “experienced” Shree Mani - Actually you have answered your question yourself! If I say I slept very well - whose experience is that? Aaatma does not need sleep and the mind that makes the statement is not there in the sleep to sleep well. When Krishna says - I pervade this entire universe in an unmanifested form - who is saying that - the manifested form? since the unmanifest cannot talk. But if the manifested form says - it is self-contradiction. mana eva manushyaanaam kaaranam bhanda mokshayoH|| - the mind is responsible for both bondage and liberation. Bondage is the notion in the mind. I identified with the notional mind declare that I am bound. When the notions drop from the mind, there is clear knowledge that rises in the mind that I am that totality. aham naasha baagi aham aham tayaa| spurati hRit swayam param purrNa sat|| Says Bhagavaan Ramana. when the false I falls, there is spontaneous knowledge that raises "I amI amI am" etc and this I am is param, puurnam and sat swaruupam -That is there are no more notions that I am limited- space wise, object wise,time wise. It is experience like any other experience but it is experience of ones own self. If you can get hold of the book "I am that" please study that you most of the doubts get cleared. Hari OM! Sadananda ===== What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda. The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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