Hindu Article-Essence of the Vedas

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Essence of the Vedas

 

 

CHENNAI NOV.15 . God has manifested countless times in

order to establish the Law of Virtue by precept and

practice. It is obvious that He need not rule us with

an iron sceptre. The injunction against sinning (since

it can only bring misery to the perpetrator) should be

enough. Holy edicts also emphasise the need to carry

out one's duty as a means to good conduct. Men of high

intellect, already in tune with the Supreme Being,

embrace a singular way of life wherein their thoughts,

words and deeds are focussed entirely on being

virtuous, qualifying them to act as apostles. The

average man, steeped in worldly affairs, can grasp

higher things far better when the concepts are

explained with the help of parables. Here the Lord's

appearances lend them to edification.

 

In a discourse, Sri P.M. Vijayaraghava Sastrigal said

that often misguided people demotivate, hinder or

irritate in numerous ways those involved in God's

work. Neither injury nor physical ailment can deter an

avowed man of religion. One example was Narayana

Bhattathri, who despite being plagued by chronic

ailment composed the Narayaneeyam. When a destructive

personality commands a powerful position, God Himself

will appear to vanquish him so that he may stop being

a source of nuisance to others and also that he may

get cleansed by reaching Him. As always, the mission

is to establish virtue. Ironically when the Lord

incarnated, those deviating from virtue failed to see

and know Him, as it happened in the case of Sisupala

and Duryodhana. On the other hand, Bheeshma, by virtue

of his stellar qualities, was able to attract the

Supreme Being's presence even when he was in his

deathbed.

 

In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says: "I too have

many (re)births and you Arjuna do not know what

tomorrow brings. So pay heed to what I say." In all

His visitations He has directly discoursed only on two

occasions, once to Arjuna and another to Vidhura.

Falling back on scriptures, His principal devotees

have been able to carry His message to people spread

far and wide. Scriptural texts are one of the tools

used since they highlight the desirable conduct and

means to attaining salvation. The Bhagavatam is one

such work where Krishna's sports are extolled and the

exemplary lives of Prahlada, Gajendra and other

devotees are narrated. In effect this work is the

essence of the Vedas, which are the basic trees

sustaining the world. Since the Bhagavatam is the

handiwork of a sage it is even more precious to a

devotee.

 

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[ranjeetmore]

The essence of vedanta/vedas etc. is only understood by this one line put forth by Sriman Gauranga Mahaprabhu:

"Shastra veda kahe sambandha abhidheya prayojana: Krisna,Krsna Bhakti,Prem..ye teen mahadhon."

 

In the vedas,only three things are to be understood.

the relationship of the living entity with Sri krsna/bhramn.

The process of attaining Bhramn/sri krsna: bhakti.

And the super excellent fruit of sadhana bhakti : Prema Bhakti.

 

Besides these three,everything else is not useful for the supreme well being of a jeevatma.

[srikanthdk71]

 

The essence of vedanta/vedas etc. is only understood by this one line put forth by Sriman Gauranga Mahaprabhu:

"Shastra veda kahe sambandha abhidheya prayojana: Krisna,Krsna Bhakti,Prem..ye teen mahadhon."

 

In the vedas,only three things are to be understood.

the relationship of the living entity with Sri krsna/bhramn.

The process of attaining Bhramn/sri krsna: bhakti.

And the super excellent fruit of sadhana bhakti : Prema Bhakti.

 

Besides these three,everything else is not useful for the supreme well being of a jeevatma.

 

Do not deviate your thoughts to the Advaitins. They will never accept your point of view. Advaita is more a scientific concept. Your concepts are only based on story books. Not even Vedanta. You call those storybooks as pramana. You forget about your own conscience when you search for pramana outside you. Know yourself first. Your quotations like ' He said this, he said that, so this is that and that is this is not convincing'. You can convince others only when you stop quoting, start thinking, writing whatever you feel. One day you would have found it. What is it? The truth.

[chandu_69]

 

. Advaita is more a scientific concept.

 

Oh yes, Einstein actually was a advaitan.Einstein actually devised Theory of relativity from advaitan concepts :idea:

[Deathless]

 

Oh yes, Einstein actually was a advaitan.Einstein actually devised Theory of relativity from advaitan concepts :idea:

Just because Einstein didn't to a theory doesn't make it un- or anti-scientific.

He meant it was more scientific in that it points to an energy that pervades nature, making it a more scientific philosophy, rather than just the worship of a specific deity, which is more of a religious philosophy.

[bhaktajan]

Originally Posted by deathless:

making it a more scientific philosophy ???

just the worship of a specific deity ???

 

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The science of yoga is scientific. Do you agree?

[bhaktajan]

Originally Posted by srikanthdk71:

You forget about your own conscience when you search for pramana outside you. Know yourself first.

 

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Is this not the mind-set of those who spread terror in Mumbai?

 

It is the mind set of brainwashed followers of charismatic cult leaders.

 

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A) The Founders of the Laws of Democracy --followed the letter of the law [manga carta, etc].

 

B) The conquistadors sought gold.

 

Which is seeking inward rewards?

[Deathless]

 

Originally Posted by deathless:

making it a more scientific philosophy ???

Energy and the fact that it can be neither created nor destroyed is proven by science. Advaita revolves around this concept.

 

just the worship of a specific deity ???

Science hasn't proven that deity exists, which makes the worship of deities an unscientific matter. It is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one. That doesn't make it a bad thing. It's just more spiritual than scientific, in my opinion.

 

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The science of yoga is scientific. Do you agree?

It's spiritual. I wouldn't necessarily consider all paths of yoga scientific.

[chandu_69]

 

Energy and the fact that it can be neither created nor destroyed is proven by science. Advaita revolves around this concept.

That doesnt make advaitha true in all aspects when scientific rigor is applied

 

 

Science hasn't proven that deity exists, which makes the worship of deities an unscientific matter.

 

Science didnt prove that god exists either.

 

 

It is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one. That doesn't make it a bad thing. It's just more spiritual than scientific, in my opinion.

 

Spirituality of advaitan kind(of any kind,for that matter) is also not recognized by science.

 

 

It's spiritual. I wouldn't necessarily consider all paths of yoga scientific.

 

There is also no evidence that yoga is a product of scientific rigor, nevertheless people derive benefit from it.Science is validating some measurable benefits of yoga,though.

[bhaktajan]

 

Do not deviate your thoughts to the Advaitins.

They will never accept your point of view.

Advaita is more a scientific concept.

Your concepts are only based on story books.

Not even Vedanta.

You call those storybooks as pramana.

You forget about your own conscience . . .

 

So YOU do not give any regards to the Mahabharata & Gita?

 

So YOU do not give any regards to this statement? YES or NO?:

 

" . . . It is said in the Mahabharata, Adi-parva (20) that 640,000,000 men were killed in the eighteen days of the Battle of Kuruksetra, and some hundreds of thousands were missing. Practically this was the greatest battle in the world within five thousand years. . . . "

 

 

YES or NO --do you give any regards to this statement??

 

If you give no regards to this statement, and think it FALSE??

 

No war? No Krishna's discussion with Arjuna? No Bharata-vamsa?

[Deathless]

 

That doesnt make advaitha true in all aspects when scientific rigor is applied

 

Well, I didn't say that, now did I? I just said that it was more scientific in some aspects.

 

Science didnt prove that god exists either.

Deity=god. You're just kind of restating my point.

 

Spirituality of advaitan kind(of any kind,for that matter) is also not recognized by science.

Yes. As I said, it is more scientific in some areas. I didn't say it was totally scientific and that it has scientific backing in every, single thing. I just said that it was slightly more scientific in some areas as opposed to dualistic thought.

 

There is also no evidence that yoga is a product of scientific rigor, nevertheless people derive benefit from it.Science is validating some measurable benefits of yoga,though.

I know. I didn't say that Yoga was bad and that we shouldn't try to achieve Yoga (union) with God because it's not based in science. All that I said was that Yoga (as well as all other spiritual paths, like you've said) is not necessarily scientific. It's more spiritual.

[Deathless]

 

So YOU do not give any regards to the Mahabharata & Gita?

 

So YOU do not give any regards to this statement? YES or NO?:

 

" . . . It is said in the Mahabharata, Adi-parva (20) that 640,000,000 men were killed in the eighteen days of the Battle of Kuruksetra, and some hundreds of thousands were missing. Practically this was the greatest battle in the world within five thousand years. . . . "

 

 

YES or NO --do you give any regards to this statement??

 

If you give no regards to this statement, and think it FALSE??

 

No war? No Krishna's discussion with Arjuna? No Bharata-vamsa?

Chaitanya, who you believe in, said that, as a Gaudiya, you should not speak with followers of Advaita Vedanta - or, as he so lovingly put it, 'mayavadi' : 'teachers of illusion'.

 

"Mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa"

Which basically means:

"Be wise and don't speak with the teachers of illusion or all [your bhakti] will be destroyed."

 

My question is, why are you even speaking in this thread, which is about Advaita Vedanta, if you aren't supposed to be talking to Advaita Vedantists?

[chandu_69]

 

Well, I didn't say that, now did I? I just said that it was more scientific in some aspects.

 

Deity=god. You're just kind of restating my point.

 

 

In What aspects advaita is considered scientific by scientific community.Can you Explain in scientific terms.Did any group of scientists conduct experiments to validate advaitan philosphy??.Did any scientist publish an article in reputed scientific journals advocating advaitan theiry.

 

Also explain your statement Deity=god.

 

Feel free to open a seperate thread .

 

Till now you had a jolly good time commenting and condemning hinduism; now give others opportunity to dissect your thought.

[devilwrld]

Totakashtakam

(A hymn of eight verses by

Totakacharya - disciple of Adi Sankara)

viditAkhilasAstrasudhAjaladhE

mahitOpanishatkathitArthanidhE |

hridayE kalayE vimalam charaNam

bhava sankara dEsika mE saraNam ||

Oh, Thou, the knower of the entire ocean of milk of scriptures, He Who teaches the truths found in the great treasure chest of the Upanishads ! I meditate on Thy faultless feet. Be Thou my refuge, Oh, Master Sankara. (1.)

karuNAvaruNAlaya pAlaya mAm

bhavasAgara dukhkha vidUnahridam |

rachayAkhiladarsanatattvavidam

bhava sankara dEsika mE saraNam ||

Oh, Thou Ocean of compassion ! Save me whose heart is tormented by the misery of the sea of birth. Make me understand the truths of all schools of philosophy ! Be Thou my refuge, Master Sankara ! (2.)

bhavatA janatA suhitA bhavitA

nijabOdhavichAraNa chArumatE |

kalyEsvara jIvavivEkavidam

bhava sankara dEsika mE saraNam ||

By Thee the masses have been made happy, Oh, Thou of noble intellect, skilled in the quest of Self-Knowledge ! Enable me to understand the wisdom relating to God and the Soul. Be Thou my refuge, Oh, Master Sankara! (3)

bhava Eva bhavA niti mE nitarAm

samajAyata chEtasi kowtukitA |

mama vAraya mOhamahAjaladhim

bhava sankara dEsika mE saranam ||

Knowing that Thou art verily the Supreme Lord, overwhelming bliss arises in my heart. Protect me from the vast ocean of delusion. Be Thou my refuge, Oh, Master Sankara!(4)

sukritE(a)dhikritE bahudhA bhavatO

bhavitA samadarsanalAlasatA |

atidInamimam paripAlaya mAm

bhava sankara dEsika mE saraNam ||

Desire for the insight in unity through Thy Grace will grow only when virtuous deeds are in abundance - and in all directions. Protect this extremely helpless person. Be Thou my refuge, Master Sankara ! (5)

 

jagatImavitum kalitAkritayO

vicharanti mahAmahasachalata: |

ahimAmsurivAtra vibhAsi gurO

bhavasankara dEsika mE saraNam ||

Oh Teacher ! For the purpose of saving the world the Great Ones take various forms and wander in disguise. Of these great Ones, You shine like the sun ! Be Thou my refuge, Oh, Master Sankara! (6)

guru pungava pungava kEtanatE

samatAmayatAm nahi kOpi sudhIhi |

saraNAgatavatsala tattvanidhE

bhavasankara dEsikamE saraNam ||

Oh, Best of Teachers ! Supreme Lord Who has the sacred bull as His banner ! None of the wise Ones is equal to Thee! Thou are compassionate to those who take refuge in Thee! Thou treasure chest of Truth! Be Thou my refuge, Oh, Master Sankara! (7)

viditA na mayA visadaikakalA

na cha kinchana kAnchana masti gurO |

drutamEva vidhEhi krupAm sahajAm

bhava sankara dEsika mE saraNam||

I do not understand correctly even a single "branch of knowledge". I do not possess even the least bit of wealth, Oh Teacher, quickly bestow on me Thy Grace. Be Thou my refuge, Oh, Master Sankara! (8)