Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Namaste Professor Krishnamurthy: You wrote (24 Nov): >Can I take kUTastha is the Consciousness to which all objects point? > >But Sankara's commentary says: "the other person is the aksarah, immutable, opposite of the former, the power of God called Maya, which is the seed of the origin of the person called the mutable. That which is the receptacle of the impressions of desires, actions, etc. of countless transmigrating creatures is called the immutable person" (Translator: Swami Gambhirananda). > >Though many advaitins take kUTastha as Consciousness, Sankara himself does not say so. In this particular place (Gita:XV-16) he comments in the above manner. > >Question: What does Shri Atmanandaji have to say on this? > Delicate question, of course. In the preface to 'Atma Darshan', Shri Atmananda speaks of 'kutastha' as 'one's real being', upon which 'the idea of minuteness ... is often superimposed'. So yes, as he used the term, 'kutastha' is atma or consciousness itself, to which all objects point. But he made a delicate distinction between the witness and the real self called 'kutastha' or 'atma'. The witness is not consciousness itself or atma itself. Instead, the witness is a last staging post on the way to realizing self. The truth of self is found by clarifying ego's confusion, which falsely mixes up the knowing self with known acts of personality. To clear the confusion, the self that knows must be discerned completely from anything that's known as a differentiated object or a changing act. Through a clear and impartial discernment, there must be a full completion of this duality between the knowing subject and its known objects or acts, so that no trace remains of any mixing up between the two. As the duality becomes complete, the witness stand is reached. Viewed from ego in the world, a last remaining trace of confused duality remains, in the idea of the witness. There still remains a witnessing of changing activities that show up in the mind. And, despite all intellectual arguments to the contrary, the witnessing still looks a little like one of those changing activities, as it illuminates appearances and records what it has lit. However, when the witness concept has been fully followed through, to where it points, it is no longer an idea, but an actual stand. And then, immediately the stand is actually reached, the idea of the witness gets dissolved, without a trace of duality remaining there. Accordingly, the witness is a completion of duality that straightaway gives itself up, to non-duality. When fully understood, the 'witness' concept thus dissolves itself, of its own accord, in that non-dual truth of 'self' which is also called by other names like 'consciousness' and 'kutastha'. Literally, 'kutastha' of course means 'standing at the topmost peak' ('kuta' meaning 'topmost peak' and 'stha' meaning 'standing'). So I would make the following interpretation of the Gita, 15.16 and a couple of subsequent stanzas: Here, in this world, there are two principles of life: one changing, while the other stays unchanged. All beings that have come to be are changing. The changeless is called 'kuta-stha' -- found 'standing at the topmost peak'. (15.16) As I transcend all change and even that which does not change, I'm often called the 'highest principle', both in the Vedas and the world. (15.18) Whoever knows me unconfused, just as that highest principle, joins into me, entirely, with heart and mind completely merged. (15.19) In the first stanza (15.16), the name 'kuta-stha' is associated with the changeless witness, thus indicating that it is the highest standpoint of experience in the world. The next stanza (15.18) suggests an 'I' that is even higher, beyond the world entirely. And the last stanza (15.18) tells of a complete dissolution into that final truth of self, simply by knowing unconfused. According to Shri Atmananda, that unconfused knowing is attained immediately the witness stand is actually reached. There, dissolution in the real self is immediate and spontaneous, requiring no further thought or effort. In other words, on reaching the topmost height of the witness standpoint, it immediately dissolves its seeming separation as a distinct peak or point, as it merges itself into non-duality. So yes, there does seem to be a slight difference of terminology between the Bhagavad Gita and advaitins like Shri Atmananda, in the use of the term 'kuta-stha'. But the difference is very slight, having to do with the delicate distinction between witness and self. Advaitins like Shri Atmananda tend to use 'kuta-stha' as it occurs in the Ashtavakra Samhita, 1.13: kUTastham bodham advaitam AtmAnam paribhAvaya AbhAso 'ham bhramam muktvA bhAvam bAhyam ath' Antaram Release yourself from the delusion: 'I am this apparent person who has somehow come to be -- perceived outside or felt within.' Thus, recognize yourself as that true individuality which stands above all seeming else: as unconditioned consciousness, unclouded by duality. Here 'kuta-stha' is clearly not just the witness, but consciousness itself or non-dual self, which is the one true individuality. Ananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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