Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 After the previous prakriyas, which are concerned with the aspects of existence and consciousness, there follows an examination of 'ananda' or 'happiness'. It is summarized in the seventh of Shri Atmananda's points for sadhana. "The happiness which I suppose I get from objects is not intrinsic in the objects or in the mind. It comes from the real 'I-Principle'." This prakriya begins with the common experience of desiring an object. Why is the object desired? Evidently, the mind that desires feels a want or a lack. The object is desired to fulfil that want. When a desired object is successfully attained, the mind feels fulfilled, in a state of happiness. But what exactly is that happiness? As it fulfils the wanting mind, from where does it come? Habitually, as our minds desire objects, we think of happiness as something that is found in them. But of course this isn't true. An object may or may not bring happiness, depending on the time and the occasion. Shri Atmananda puts it like this (in 'Atmananda Tattwa Samhita', chapter 1, 'Where we stand', 2nd last paragraph): "If happiness were intrinsic in the sense-object, it must always be giving you happiness, from babyhood up till death. But that is not your experience. What gave you happiness ... when you were a baby ... does not give you happiness when you grow into a child.... The object which gave you happiness in the babyhood and the childhood ... ceases to give you happiness when you grow old. Something else takes its place. Thus you find that happiness is not intrinsic in the sense-objects." But then, if not in objects, where in truth can happiness be found? Can it be in the mind? No, it cannot. For if it were, the mind would always be enjoying it. In that case, we'd never see our minds dissatisfied. We'd never see them wanting any object of desire. And we would never see a passing state of happiness, resulting from some object that has been achieved. We'd never see this state of happiness give way to a further state of wanting -- as the mind turns restless again, with desire for some other object. In a state of happiness, the mind is brought to rest. As a desired object is attained, the mind comes then to be at one with its desired object. Mind and object are no longer seen as two, but are resolved as only one. Each has subsided and dissolved into unmixed consciousness, where there is no duality. There, self is one with what it knows. In a state of happiness, that oneness shines, showing the true nature of each person's self. From that self comes happiness. The very being of that self is its non-dual shining, which we call 'happiness'. Thus, happiness is not a passing state. It is the changeless shining of true self. In states of dissatisfaction and misery, its non-dual shining seems distracted by the duality of a wanting mind that is at odds with what it finds. In states of happiness, the wanting mind and its duality dissolve, thus showing self for what it always is. This is a very simple prakriya, which positively shows the non-duality of self. By seeing that happiness comes always from the real self, as its non-dual shining, this prakriya can cut right through to the heart of all value and motivation. But in its simplicity, the prakriya demands a special clarity, for which the previous prakriyas may help prepare. In looking for indications of this prakriya in traditional texts, the closest I can think of are two passages from the Upanishads. Free translations of these passages are appended as postscripts. But the indications here are not very close. If anyone can think of other passages that give a closer indication, I'd be grateful. Ananda --------------------------- Mundaka Upanishad, 3.1.1-2 __________________ Two birds, in close companionship, are perched upon a single tree. Of these, one eats and tastes the fruit. The other does not eat, but just looks on. On this same tree, a person gets depressed and suffers grief: deluded by a sense of seeming helplessness, and feeling thus quite dispossessed. But when one sees what's truly loved -- as that which stands beyond all else, as one's own boundlessness, from where help comes, where everything belongs -- there one is freed from misery. --------------------------- Taittiriya Upanishad, from 2.8 (towards end) & 2.9 _____________________ .... It's what this is, in a person; and what that is, in the sun. It is one. One who knows thus leaves this seeming world behind, withdraws into this self that's made from food, withdraws into this self that's formed of living energy, withdraws into this self that just consists of mind, withdraws into this self that only is discerning consciousness, and withdraws into this self that's nothing else but happiness. On that, there is also this verse: 'It's that from which all words turn back together with the mind, unable to attain it. It is the happiness of complete reality. One who knows it has no fear of anything ... 'One who is thus a knower delivers up these two, as the real self ...' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 advaitin, Ananda Wood <awood@v...> wrote: > In looking for indications of this prakriya in traditional texts, the > closest I can think of are two passages from the Upanishads. Free > translations of these passages are appended as postscripts. But the > indications here are not very close. If anyone can think of other > passages that give a closer indication, I'd be grateful. Namaste, The following references perhaps may point to the same: Taittiriya upan. 2 : 8 : 1-4 Brihadaranyaka upan. 4 : 3 : 32-33 Kaushitaki upan. 3 : 8 Maitri upan. 6 : 27 Kaivalya upan. 14 Brahma Sutra 1 : 1 : 12-19 (Anandamaya Adhikarana); and 3 : 3 : 11 Please correct me if any of these do not fit in. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 advaitin, "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh> wrote: > advaitin, Ananda Wood <awood@v...> wrote: > > > In looking for indications of this prakriya in traditional texts, > > Taittiriya upan. 2 : 8 : 1-4 > > Brihadaranyaka upan. 4 : 3 : 32-33 > > Kaushitaki upan. 3 : 8 > > Maitri upan. 6 : 27 > > Kaivalya upan. 14 > > Brahma Sutra 1 : 1 : 12-19 (Anandamaya Adhikarana); and 3 : 3 : 11 Namaste, English translations of all the references (except the one for Maitri upan.) are online at: http://www.celextel.org/main/home.htm Brahma Sutra 1 : 1 : 12-19 (Anandamaya Adhikarana); and 3 : 3 : 11 http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_1/1-1-06.html http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_3/bs_3-3-06.html Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Nmaste, The happiness referred to, is it happiness, or a state, though we cannot call it a state, where there is neither happiness nor any unhappiness. That is, Shantam, Shivam and Sundaram. I would be grateful for clarification on this point, learned members. Thank you Hariu Om Mani Ananda Wood <awood wrote: After the previous prakriyas, which are concerned with the aspects of existence and consciousness, there follows an examination of 'ananda' or 'happiness'. It is summarized in the seventh of Shri Atmananda's points for sadhana.Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Dear Shri Sunder, Thank you for the references in your messages of 1 and 2 Dec. I've taken a look at them and they are very helpful. In particular, I would interpret the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, 4.3.32 as follows: The fluctuating ocean [of the seeming world], with all its many, changing waves, turns out to be one single see-er, without duality. This is the state of the absolute.. This is one's highest attainment. This is one 's highest fulfilment. This is one's highest state. This is one's highest happiness. [All] other things, that have but come to be, subsist upon only a measure of this happiness.. And this is the culmination of a preceding passage that has been describing the enjoyment of mind in dreams (4.3.13-18), the withdrawal of desire into peace and fulfilment (4.3.19-22) and the consequent dissolution into non-duality (4.3.23-31). That non-duality is positively identified as happiness in 4.3.32-33, to which you refer. So, checking back from your reference, the whole passage 4.3.13-33 turns out to be an extended and powerful treatment of the happiness prakriya. Most grateful for your pointer to that. In the Maitri Upanishad 6.27, I was particularly struck by the two lines of verse that it quotes at the end: hridy-AkAsha-mayam kosham Anandam paramAlayam svam yogash ca tato 'smAkam tejash caiv' Agni-sUryayoh I would interpret this as follows: hridy-AkAsha-mayam kosham Anandam -- That storing place whose nature is the inner background of the heart, that in itself is happiness. paramAlayam -- It is the highest resting place, where everything is found to stand. svam yogash ca -- It is both one's own self and also that where everything joins back into a common unity. asmAkam tejash caiv' Agni-sUryayoh -- It's thus our clear, sharp light: the same that's seen in fire and the sun. Further, in the Kaivalya Upanishad 14, I was similarly struck by the last line: AdhAram Anandam akhaNDa bodham yasmin layam yAt pura-trayam ca This I would interpret as: The real ground of all support, where all things rise, is happiness. All changing states -- of waking, dream and dreamless sleep -- are there merged back and found dissolved in consciousness, where no division can apply. The Brahma sutra references, 1.1.12-19 and 3.3.11, are clearly apt and look very interesting. But of course, the knotty sutra style is tough to open up and bears more thinking, to make sense of it. Do let me know if you find that I've been misinterpreting the texts. With thanks again for the help. Ananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Namaste Anandaji, Thank you for confirming the references regarding the prakriya. Your lucid interpretations give an added value to the study of these references. Regards, Sunder advaitin, Ananda Wood <awood@v...> wrote: > Thank you for the references in your messages of 1 and 2 Dec. I've > taken a look at them and they are very helpful. > > > Do let me know if you find that I've been misinterpreting the texts. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 advaitin, "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh> wrote: > Namaste Anandaji, > > Thank you for confirming the references regarding the prakriya. > Your lucid interpretations give an added value to the study of these > references. > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > > > advaitin, Ananda Wood <awood@v...> wrote: > > > Thank you for the references in your messages of 1 and 2 Dec. I've > > taken a look at them and they are very helpful. > > > > > > Do let me know if you find that I've been misinterpreting the texts. > > Namaste, Sunderji and Shri Ananda Wood I marvel at Sunderji's capability of locating and identifying references. I was trying to locate the Brihadaranyaka quotation 4.3.32 . But the Sanskrit document either in the pdf form or in the PS form does not help me to identify it. Can one of you help me how to get through that maze of symbols in the document? I would appreciate the help. Thank you. Or, as an alternative, you may give me the actual quotation Br. U. 4.3.32-33. PraNAms to all advaitins profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > locating and identifying > references. I was trying to locate the Brihadaranyaka quotation > 4.3.32 . But the Sanskrit document either in the pdf form or in the > PS form does not help me to identify it. Can one of you help me how > to get through that maze of symbols in the document? I would > appreciate the help. Thank you. > > Or, as an alternative, you may give me the actual quotation Br. U. > 4.3.32-33. Namaste Sri Krishnamurthyji, Two books that help me locate the references are: Col. Jacob's Concordance (past the century-old mark, and not updated since! Gajanan Sadhale's Upanishadvakya Mahakosha - 1940 (1990 reprint) , Chowkhamba publ.) (You may have clicked on the version with the accents; here is the non-accented version): [sF = sandhi-free] http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_upanishhat/brinew-proofed.itx mantra 32 ##[iV.iii.32]## salila eko drashhTAdvaito bhavaty ##SF## salile ekas.h drashhTA advaitas.h bhavati eshha brahmalokaH ##SF## eshha brahmalokas.h samrAD ##SF## samrAT iti hainamanushashAsa yAGYavalkya. eshhAsya paramA gatir ##SF## iti ha enam.h uvAcha anushashAsa yAGYavalkyas.h eshhA asya paramA gatis.h eshhAsya paramA saMpad ##SF## eshhA asya paramA saMpad.h eshho.asya paramo loka ##SF## eshhas.h asya paramas.h lokas.h eshho.asya parama Ananda ##SF## eshhas.h asya paramas.h Anandas.h etasyaivA.a.anandasyAnyAni bhUtAni mAtrAmupajIvanti || 32 || ##SF## etasya eva Anandasya anyAni bhUtAni mAtrAm.h upajIvanti mantra 33 ##[iV.iii.33]## sa yo manUshhyANA{\m+} rAddhaH samR^iddho bhavatyanyeshhAmadhipatiH sarvairmAnushhyakairbhogaiH sampannatamaH anyeshhAm.h ##SF## sa yas.h manUshhyANAm.h rAddhas.h samR^iddhas.h bhavati adhipatis.h sarvais.h mAnushhyakais.h bhogais.h sampannatamas.h sa manushhyANAM parama Anando ##SF## sa manushhyANAm.h paramas.h Anandas.h ..atha ye shataM manushhyANAmAnandAH ##SF## atha ye shatam.h manushhyANAm.h AnandAs.h sa ekaH pitR^iNAM jitalokAnAmAnando ##SF## sas.h ekas.h pitR^iNAm.h jitalokAnAm.h Anandas.h ..atha ye shataM pitR^iNAM jitalokAnAmAnandAH ##SF## atha ye shatam.h pitR^iNAm.h jitalokAnAm.h AnandAs.h sa eko gandharvaloka Anando ##SF## sas.h ekas.h gandharvaloke Anandas.h ..atha ye shataM gandharvaloka AnandAH ##SF## atha ye shatam.h gandharvaloke AnandAs.h sa ekaH karmadevAnAmAnando ye karmaNA devatvamabhisampadyante ##SF## sas.h ekas.h karmadevAnAm.h Anandas.h ye karmaNA devatvam.h abhisampadyante ..atha ye shataM karmadevAnAmAnandAH ##SF## atha ye shatam.h karmadevAnAm.h AnandAs.h sa eka AjAnadevAnAmAnando ##SF## sas.h ekas.h AjAnadevAnAm.h Anandas.h yashcha shrotriyo.avR^ijino.akAmahato ##SF## yas.h cha shrotriyas.h avR^ijinas.h akAmahatas.h ..atha ye shatamAjAnadevAnAmAnandAH ##SF## atha ye shatam.h AjAnadevAnAm.h AnandAs.h sa ekaH prajApatiloka Anando yashcha shrotriyo.avR^ijino.akAmahato ##SF## sas.h ekas.h prajApatiloke Anandas.h yas.h cha shrotriyas.h avR^ijinas.h akAmahatas.h atha ye shataM prajApatiloka AnandAH ##SF## atha ye shatam.h prajApatiloke AnandAs.h sa eko brahmaloka Anando yashcha shrotriyo.avR^ijino.akAmahato ##SF## sas.h ekas.h brahmaloke Anandas.h yas.h cha shrotriyas.h avR^ijinas.h akAmahatas.h ..athaishha eva parama Ananda eshha brahmalokaH ##SF## atha eshhas.h eva paramas.h Anandas.h eshha brahmalokas.h samrAD ##SF## samrAT iti hovAcha yAGYavalkyaH | ##SF## iti ha uvAcha yAGYavalkyas.h so.ahaM bhagavate sahasraM dadAmy ##SF## sas.h aham.h bhagavate sahasram.h dadAmi ata UrdhvaM vimokshAyaiva brUhIty ##SF## atas.h Urdhvam.h vimokshAya eva brUhi iti atra ha yAGYavalkyo bibhayA.nchakAraH ##SF## atra ha yAGYavalkyas.h bibhayAm.h chakAra medhAvI rAjA sarvebhyo mA.antebhya udarautsIditi || 33 || ##SF## medhAvI rAjA sarvebhyas.h mA antebhyas.h udarautsIt.h iti ================================================================ http://lavanya.aros.net/sanskrit/all_pdf/brinew-proofed.pdf (p. 76) (devanagari version) ================================================================= Bloomfield's Vedic Concordance ai online/downloadable: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/VedicConcordance/ReadmeEng.html Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Re: Shri Atmananda's teachings -- 6. Happiness Namaste Shri Mani, You asked (3 Dec): "The happiness referred to, is it happiness, or a state, though we cannot call it a state, where there is neither happiness nor any unhappiness?" In advaita, the words 'consciousness' and 'happiness' are used like the word 'temperature' in physics. As physicists conceive of heat and cold, all different states of being hot or being cold are varying phenomena that exhibit the same common principle called 'temperature'. There are many states of temperature -- indicated by various degrees on the thermometer, starting from the complete absence of heat at absolute zero to any high degree of temperature. No matter how hot or cold a state may be, the state is something varying and passing. All such states are different appearances of the same principle called 'temperature'. Similarly in advaita, 'consciousness' is the common principle of all knowing states, no matter what the apparent degree of knowing. Thus, deep sleep is treated as a state of consciousness to which the degree zero has been given, meaning that there is no activity of knowing there. And various states of conception and perception are given relative degrees of knowing, meaning that their knowing is there incomplete because of some remaining ignorance. So also in advaita, 'happiness' is the common principle of motivating value in all states of seeking and achievement. Thus, deep sleep is treated as a state of happiness to which the degree zero has been given, meaning that there is no seeking or achievement there. And various states of seeking and achievement are given relative degrees of happiness, meaning that their seeking and achievement is there incomplete because of some remaining dissatisfaction. So far, this is just terminology. But advaita goes on to a radical questioning of what knowing really is and what's really sought to be achieved. In the case of knowing, what's questioned is our habitual assumption that knowing is an activity of perception and conception, carried out by mind and senses. No perceiving or conceiving activities know anything themselves. They only create appearances, which are illuminated by the common principle called 'consciousness'. That is the only true knowing, and it has no degrees. Anytime and everywhere, it is one hundred percent present, in all its completeness. That includes deep sleep, where consciousness is found shining by itself, in all its purity. In the case of seeking and achievement, what's in question is another habitual assumption that what we seek are passing states of achieving partial and temporary objectives. No such objectives can themselves bring happiness. What shines in their achievement is an undivided consciousness, where that which knows no longer feels at odds with what is known. That undivided shining is just consciousness itself. It is the only true happiness, found present in all passing states, motivating all their seeking and achieving. It is the final value that is always sought, the only value that is truly found. In the peace of deep sleep, that happiness is shown uncovered, shining unaffected as it always is -- in simple truth, beneath all change of seeming states. There is another way of seeing this, through the derivation of the English word 'happiness'. To be happy is to feel at one with 'hap', with the happenings that take place in one's experience. The search for happiness is a search for that oneness, which advaita says is the non-dual truth of all experience. It's that for which all acts are done, for which all happenings take place, in everyone's experience and in the entire world. In the Taittiriya Upanishad 2.7, it is put like this: yad vai tat sukritam raso vai sah, rasam hy ev' Ayam labdhv AnandI bhavati, ko hy ev' AnyAt kah prANyAt, yad esha AkAsha Anando na syAt I would interpret this as follows: yad vai tat sukritam raso vai sah: It is just this essential savour that is spontaneous and natural. rasam hy ev' Ayam labdhv AnandI bhavati: It's only when one reaches that essential savour that one comes to happiness ko hy ev' AnyAt kah prANyAt: For what could be alive at all, and what could move with energy, yad esha AkAsha Anando na syAt: if there were not this happiness here at the background of all space and time pervading the entire world. The problem of course is to understand just what this means -- to understand that happiness is a changeless background which underlies all our changing feelings, including our most negative and painful feelings of misery and fear and want. Ananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Namaste Ji Thank you very much for your clarification. It is very kind of yu to take take to reply to my posting. I am sorry for the belated reply as I could not open the mail box for some time. Hari Om and regards Mani Ananda Wood <awood wrote: Re: Shri Atmananda's teachings -- 6. Happiness Namaste Shri Mani, You asked (3 Dec): Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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