Guest guest Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 Namaste Madathiji You mention in another post in this string in response to my comments whether maintaining a sitting meditative posture at the time of sleep would be more appropriate to entering "knowing sleep" than a reclining posture. I'm not sure whether posture would be a big issue. However, I do think there are postures that are more conducive to entering a meditative or "aware" experience (in sleep or otherwise) than others. I think the frame of mind going into sleep – and the overall quality of mind and consciousness – are the key factors. I have heard that some anchorite-like Tibetan Buddhist practitioners sleep in boxes or slings or other devices to keep them in an upright position. (As you probably know, Tibetan Buddhists have many practices for meditation entering sleep and achieving conscious sleep or other kinds of experiences. I would guess similar practices exist in Hindu Tantric lineages.) What was more intriguing was the comment below -- about whether we are "consciously awake." --- > I was pondering this "sleeping consciously" all through yesterday. > Then the question popped up in my mind: Are we *consciously* awake? My own practices have somewhat tangibly led me to the conclusion that most persons, most of the time (myself included), are automatons – in exactly the same way that the dream projections of ourselves are automatons. In a dream, we go about certain dramas and have certain reactions in an automatic way even though the dream-self thinks it's conscious and acting and reacting with volition (and that the dreamscape is not a modifiable projection of the dreamer's consciousness.) If you've ever had a lucid, conscious dream, you can experience the difference between automatic, programmed consciousness and volitional consciousness. The same thing applies in the conscious waking state. The ordinary self is just a program—a bundle of karmic momentum. I don't think there's much of a volitional quality or capacity to it. My own guru has touched on this, but I haven't heard him go into too much detail about it when speaking to groups; it's more for personal dialoguing. I think Nisargadatta Maharaj (who I enjoy reading and who I see is the subject of a string on this board) often speaks of this as well. For this reason, dissociation is drawn between consciousness and the body-mind complex in advaita sadhana – because the body and personality and way of thinking set up a certain way in a person and I think it has an inexorable quality. So the advaita Vedanta position is to accept it and also dissociate from it— identity with it's ground, which is consciousness. Easier said than done. Two favorite passages from the Ashtavakra Gita that I've incorporated into paintings are: If you dissociate yourself from the body and rest in consciousness, you will at once be happy, serene, and free from bondage. [yadi deham prthakkrtya - citi visramya tishtasi- adhunaiva sukhi shanto - bhandamukto bhavishyasi] and The body, heaven, hell, bondage liberation, and fear are mere illusions. What then needs to be done by me? I abide as pure consciousness. [shariram svarganarakau -bhandamokshau bhayam -tatha kalpanamatram-evai tat kim me karyam chidatmanah] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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