advaitin Shri Atmanandas teachings -- 8. Merging back

[Guest guest]

Namaste Dee-ji.

 

I am afraid I have to interject in your following quotes from

AStAvakrA:

 

QUOTE

 

If you dissociate yourself from the body and rest in consciousness,

you will at once be happy, serene, and free from bondage. [yadi deham

prthakkrtya - citi visramya tishtasi- adhunaiva sukhi shanto -

bhandamukto bhavishyasi]

 

The body, heaven, hell, bondage liberation, and fear are mere

illusions. What then needs to be done by me? I abide as pure

consciousness. [shariram svarganarakau -bhandamokshau bhayam -tatha

kalpanamatram-evai tat kim me karyam chidatmanah]

 

 

UNQUOTE

 

We are dissociated with the body most of the time when it doesn't

call our attention. But, sadly, we know that not. Identification

with the body is taken as the natural default of the ignorant and we

believe that. If anything, it is a perilous supposition that is not

substantiated. Truly, the ignorant is also dissociated most of the

time, of course, to a much lesser degree than an acknowledged

vEdAntin. It is this *natural* dissociation that we have to

dispassionately acknowledge and understand when the shackles loosen

to free us to float in the brilliant skies of Consciousness like a

golden cloud on a spring afternoon. Then we are whatever we

experience and, as I said before, that would naturally include the

obvlion of deep sleep, thought of death and an alleged birth,

abstract as it is somewhere down the unknown depths of memorylane.

Isn't that freedom the very reposing in Consciousness as

Consciousness implied in AStAvakrA?

 

As I typed this out I was my thoughts, the keyboard, the monitor-

screen and the words that appeared on it. Where was the body and

where was I then bound, the freest of free beings!? Even when the

body calls attention, there is no harm being the body and its pains.

The pains being me, they can't then hurt me as Bh. Ramana (of non-

sampradAya lineage) proved with the gory sarcoma on his shoulder,

because He knew He was the sarcoma!

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

 

 

advaitin, "dee_rapp" <dee_rapp> wrote:

[Guest guest]

respected sri.dee rapp,

padmasana and erect spine are

recommended to keep the path from mooladhara to

sahasraara clear of any physical obstruction.

to sleep consciously may, i

think, be attainned in the following manner:

if we practice meditation some

30 to 60 mins prior to sleep, and follow the awareness

watching awareness method, in due course you wd have

attained some degree of clearing the mind of most ,if

not all ,thoughts and reached some degree of

stillness.

if one enters sleep without

further mental activity, there is very good

probability of going to sleep consciouslessly.

under such a state of sleep, the

dreams or visions could bring you some messages

reagrding your karma or some realization [ authors

get an answer to the "end" of their novel, scientist

gets an insight into the conclusions of his work, the

seeker gets his guru, the bhakta gets his directives

from his god-- , valmiki sees the RAMAYANA play out

bofore his eyes---, bhattathiri has his one to one

sessions with guruvayurappan---etc etc ] .

[ i set my alarm clock at 5 a.m.

invariably, i get up by 4.30 or 4.45 before the alarm

can ring????]

as for the question whether we are

"awake consciouslessly", most of the time i am not.

most occasions, i remember starting

my car. the next thing i remember the car is only when

i park it , some 30 minutes later. i dont remember

anything of the road or the signals or the blockages i

have driven across.

obviously i was asleep all along my

drive !!!

most of my day goes like this!!

asleep when awake!!!

DANGEROUS, EH?

 

most respectfully yours,

a.v.krshnan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- dee_rapp <dee_rapp wrote: >

> Namaste Madathiji

>

> You mention in another post in this string in

> response to my comments

> whether maintaining a sitting meditative posture at

> the time of sleep

> would be more appropriate to entering "knowing

> sleep" than a

> reclining posture. I'm not sure whether posture

> would be a big

> issue. However, I do think there are postures that

> are more

> conducive to entering a meditative or "aware"

> experience (in sleep or

> otherwise) than others. I think the frame of mind

> going into sleep –

> and the overall quality of mind and consciousness –

> are the key

> factors.

>

> I have heard that some anchorite-like Tibetan

> Buddhist practitioners

> sleep in boxes or slings or other devices to keep

> them in an upright

> position. (As you probably know, Tibetan Buddhists

> have many

> practices for meditation entering sleep and

> achieving conscious sleep

> or other kinds of experiences. I would guess similar

> practices exist

> in Hindu Tantric lineages.)

>

> What was more intriguing was the comment below --

> about whether we

> are "consciously awake."

>

> --- > I was pondering this "sleeping consciously"

> all through

> yesterday.

> > Then the question popped up in my mind: Are we

> *consciously*

> awake?

>

> My own practices have somewhat tangibly led me to

> the conclusion that

> most persons, most of the time (myself included),

> are automatons – in

> exactly the same way that the dream projections of

> ourselves are

> automatons. In a dream, we go about certain dramas

> and have certain

> reactions in an automatic way even though the

> dream-self thinks it's

> conscious and acting and reacting with volition (and

> that the

> dreamscape is not a modifiable projection of the

> dreamer's

> consciousness.) If you've ever had a lucid,

> conscious dream, you can

> experience the difference between automatic,

> programmed consciousness

> and volitional consciousness. The same thing applies

> in the conscious

> waking state. The ordinary self is just a program—a

> bundle of karmic

> momentum. I don't think there's much of a

> volitional quality or

> capacity to it. My own guru has touched on this, but

> I haven't heard

> him go into too much detail about it when speaking

> to groups; it's

> more for personal dialoguing. I think Nisargadatta

> Maharaj (who I

> enjoy reading and who I see is the subject of a

> string on this board)

> often speaks of this as well. For this reason,

> dissociation is drawn

> between consciousness and the body-mind complex in

> advaita sadhana –

> because the body and personality and way of thinking

> set up a certain

> way in a person and I think it has an inexorable

> quality. So the

> advaita Vedanta position is to accept it and also

> dissociate from it—

> identity with it's ground, which is consciousness.

> Easier said than

> done.

>

> Two favorite passages from the Ashtavakra Gita that

> I've incorporated

> into paintings are:

>

> If you dissociate yourself from the body and rest in

> consciousness,

> you will at once be happy, serene, and free from

> bondage. [yadi deham

> prthakkrtya - citi visramya tishtasi- adhunaiva

> sukhi shanto -

> bhandamukto bhavishyasi]

>

> and

>

>

> The body, heaven, hell, bondage liberation, and fear

> are mere

> illusions. What then needs to be done by me? I abide

> as pure

> consciousness. [shariram svarganarakau

> -bhandamokshau bhayam -tatha

> kalpanamatram-evai tat kim me karyam chidatmanah]

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

>

 

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