Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Namaste We have seen a lot of discussions on this topic in this list. And Atmananda’s teachings as presented by Shri Ananda Wood had much to say on this. Just recently I read the 11th chapter of Panchadashi by Vidyaranya (A publication by Ramakrishna Mutt, Mylapore). Shlokas 58 to 70 of this chapter deal in depth about this topic. I think it might be worthwhile to have a correct understanding of what Panchadashi has to say on this. Since the matter is reasonably technical, I reproduce below the exact translations of the shlokas and also some comments on some of the shlokas. Both the translation and the comments are Swami Swahananda’s. Nothing is mine. In fact I do not want to dupe myself into believing that I have understood it. But I present all this below so that an expert scrutiny can be done to see whether it differs from Atmananda’s teachings, and if so, in what way. In particular I want to draw attention to the comments on shloka 64 and shloka 68 below, by Swami Swahananda. (Kindly pardon me for this long post). --\ ------------------- 58. A text of the Atharva Veda says: ‘In the state of deep sleep, when all the objects of experience have been absorbed, and only darkness (Tamas) prevails, the Jiva enjoys bliss. Comment: Kaivalya Upanishad.13. 59. A man from deep sleep remembers his happiness and ignorance and says: ‘I was sleeping happily; I knew nothing then’. 60. Recollection presupposes experience. So in sleep there was experience. The bliss experienced in dreamless sleep is revealed by consciousness itself which also reveals the undifferentiated ignorance (ajnAna) covering bliss in that state. Comment: In the state of dreamless sleep the Self reveals itself as Bliss and in that self-revelation it reveals its knowledge of avidyA or Ignorance, which expresses itself as ‘I knew nothing’. 61. The Vajasaneyins say: ‘Brahman is of the nature of Consciousness and Bliss’. Therefore the self-luminous bliss is Brahman itself and nothing else. Comment: Br.Upan ishad 3.9.28. It forms part of the Vajasaneyi branch of the Yajurveda. 62. The mind and the intellect sheaths are latent in the state called ignorance. Deep sleep is the condition in which these sheaths are latent and it is therefore a state of ignorance. Comment: How can there be recollection of the bliss and state of non-duality in deep sleep by the intellect and the min d, for they did not exist? They existed in the latent state in the ajnAna, their cause, so it is quite possible. They come out of the deep sleep, with the feeling, ‘There was abundance of bliss’, ‘I did not know anything else’. 63. Just as melted butter again becomes solid, the two sheaths in the states following deep sleep again becomes manifest. The state in which the mind and the intellect are latent is called the bliss-sheath. [Comment by VK: This definition of ‘bliss-sheath’ is new to me] 64. (Text): supti-pUrva-kshhaNe buddhi-vRttir-yA sukha-bimbitA / saiva tad-bimba-sahitA lInAnanda-mayas-tataH // The modification (Vrtti) of the intellect in which, just before sleep, bliss is reflected becomes latent in the state of deep sleep along with the reflected bliss, and is known as the bliss-sheath. Comment: So the bliss-sheath is (1) a Vrtti or modification of the intellect (2) which had become latent, (3) in the deep sleep state and (4) catching the reflection of the bliss of Brahman (or bliss that is Brahman ). Or in other words, the bliss-sheath is the sheath of the intellect gone inward; and in going inward it is divested of the sense-organs and it catches and retains the reflection of the bliss of Brahman, which the sheath of the intellect has not. The modifications (Vrttis) of the intellect are all bright, clear and distinct. But this Vrtti, the material cause of the Anandamaya, is not bright, it is vague and indistinct. It is because it has gone latent; and also because (as the next shloka says) it is interpenetrated by the Vrttis or modifications of ajnAna or ignorance, with whose help it enjoys the reflected bliss. We must however remember here that in all cognitions or experience the Vrtti of the intellect is always ‘tipped with chidAbhAsa’ but not in internal cognitions or experience. This being an internal experience Vrtti is automatically illumined by the witness and not by CidAbhAsa. And the sense-organs having been left behind do not play any part in the enjoyment of the bliss. This makes it inexpressible, unique. Another point is to be noted here. Here the attention of the cidAbhAsa or Jiva is complete. In this state the experiencer is a latent Vrtti of the intellect, enlivened and illumined not by the cidAbhAsa but by the witness directly, reflecting its bliss on it with the help of a Vrtti, not of intellect but of MulAvidyA, thereby preventing the complete identity of the Jiva and Shiva, the individual and the Absolute and keeping the experience vague, and revealing its (MulAvidyA’s) existence simultaneously. 65.(Text) antarmukho ya Anandamayo brahmasukham tadA / bhungkte cid-bimba-yuktAbhijnAnotpanna-vRttibhiH // This Vrtti, thus turned within, which is termed the bliss-sheath, enjoys the bliss reflected on it in association with the modifications of ignorance, catching the reflection of consciousness. 66. The adepts in the Vedanta say that the modificatrions of ignorance are subtle, whereas those of the intellect are gross. 67. (Text): mANDUkya-tApanIyAdi-shrutishh-vetad-atisphuTaM / Ananda-maya-bhoktRtvaM brahmAnande ca bhogyatA // This is fully explained in the Mandukya and Tapaniya Upanishads. It is the sheath of bliss which is the enjoyer, and it is the bliss of brahman which is enjoyed. Comment: MANDUkya Up.5. PrajnA or the Consciousness reflected in the bliss-sheath is the enjoyer of the bliss of brahman reflected in the Vrttis (subtle modifications) of ignorance. As the finer vRttis are no longer clearly differentiated, the bliss-sheath is called compact mass of consciousness or undifferentiated ignorance. 68. (Text) ekIbhUtas-sushhuptasthaH prajnAna-ghanatAM gataH / Anandamaya Ananda-bhuk ceto-maya-vRttibhiH // This profusion of bliss (AnandamayaH) having become concentrated into one mass of consciousness in the deep sleep, enjoys the (reflected) bliss of brahman with the help of modifications (Vrttis) reflecting a superabundance of Consciousness. Comment. This shloka is a paraphrase of MANDUkya-5, where all the other words occur except the ‘ceto-maya-vRttibhiH’, in whose stead the Mandukya word is ‘cetomukhaH’, which, however, means the same thing. In shloka 65 it is stated that it enjoys the bliss with the help of or in association with the modifications of ignorance catching the reflection of consciousness. Here this ‘cetomayavRttibhiH’ refers to these modifications of ignorance. All experience is through the ajnAna-vRttis, ‘modifications of ignorance’, but all, except those in the Anandamaya sheath, are through buddhi or citta-vRttis. Those in the Anandamaya are directly concerned in the production of experience, not indirectly through buddhi-vRttis. But ajnAna-vRttis ‘with superabundance of Consciousness’ is an expression which seems to involve contradiction. It is really not so, for this ignorance – that I did not know anything –is itself known. This requires interference of consciousness which is supplied by witness itself. ‘Superabundance’ is because the function is not through buddhi-vRtti, or through the phala, cidAbhAsa-cum-buddhi-vRtti but directly of the witness. But in shloka 66 it is said that the ajnAna-vRttis are sUkshhma, i.e., subtle, indistinct. ‘Superabundance of Consciousness’ and ‘indistinctness’ are again contradictory. Its ‘indistinctness’ is however , from the Jiva’s point of view – Jiva, who is more conversant with knowledge derived through buddhi-vRtti than with direct knowledge. So, though in reality there is superabundance of Consciousness, it, being abnormal, is indistinct. Does not the explanation seem to be laboured? It may appear to be so but it is based on experience, it is a fact. And if a fact appears to be tortuous – which it is not – the explanation is not faulty. As stated above, the uniqueness of the experience is responsible for this so-called laboured explanation. The experience itself is, however, simple and direct, where most media of experience have been dispensed with. 69. The Self (cidAbhAsa) in the waking and dream states, is connected or associated with various sheaths such as vijnAna-maya and appears as many (i.e., plays various roles). In the deep sleep state, however, they get merged and become latent like a dough of many (powdered) wheat-grains. Comment: It is to be noted that in the Ananda-maya kosha, cidAbhAsa has all but disappeared. It has given place to a buddhi-vRtti turned inward and catching the reflection of the witness consciousness and its bliss, conjointly with ajnAna-vRttis. 70. The modifications of the intellect, which are instruments of cognition, unite and become one in the state of sleep, just as drops of cold water in the Himalayan regions solidify into a mass of ice. Comment: During the state of wakefulness, the modifications of the intellect, cover objects of knowledge, i.e., ideas about them remain distinct and separate. They are known as PrajnAnas. In the deep sleep condition they become one un differentiated mass of consciousness. praNAms to all advaitins profvk Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari : http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > > > > We have seen a lot of discussions on this topic in this list. And Atmananda's teachings as presented by Shri Ananda Wood had much to say on this. Just recently I read the 11th chapter of Panchadashi by Vidyaranya (A publication by Ramakrishna Mutt, Mylapore). Shlokas 58 to 70 of this chapter deal in depth about this topic. I think it might be worthwhile to have a correct understanding of what Panchadashi has to say on this. Since the matter is reasonably technical, I reproduce below the exact translations of the shlokas and also some comments on some of the shlokas. Both the translation and the comments are Swami Swahananda's. Namaste, At least it appears to be quite similar to Swami Krishnananda's essay on the Philosophy of the Panchadasi (pp 103-120): http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panchadasi.pdf Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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