Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 --- Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > Namaste Kenji, > > Good to see you back in action! I am sure > your vacation > was invigorating, and your rejuvenated self will > take up the > challenge of a Monthly Topic on 'Maya in the Vedas'. > Please let us > know when you would like to be scheduled. Namaste Sunderji, Thank you for such a request that proposes an elevation to companionship with those capable of leading a monthly topic. Especially as 'Ken' is at one of those frequent stages of knowing nothing worthwhile and feeling an imposter in the company of those who have had a lifetime of cultural practice and understanding. May I please mark time before replying positively on this one? I chose the name 'anirvacaniya' for my new e-mail address with a certain touch of English irony. Although dedicated to advaita-based mail only, the mail-box was just about full when I returned from three weeks in Ireland!!!! Besides the immediate work-load to be worked through, I am awaiting comments on 50,000 words on 'Ineffability and Language in South Asian non-dual philosophy' that I sent off to my UK professor who is on sabbatical in the US. That will need some concentration when it returns. Should you really think me worthy of leading a month's topic then I would need the support of the real Sanskritists on this site. I do prefer to work closely with some text and that means overcoming the problem of translation into a limited-spiritual language such as English. However, as I am not a linguist, when studying sruti I rely on the insights of an intuitive flash that may give rise to some formulated meaning that is useful for a time but is to be inevitably discarded later. Often quite quickly!! Although I may personally learn, or unlearn, a lot from such an exercise I am not sure if others may benefit. As to your suggested title. Would it be in the remit of this group? Another possibility would be in a present interest of mine in the quality of 'sweetness'...madhur and svadha and the possible link with soma in its subtle meaning. Such a topic may lead to sidetracks on saguna and nirguna brahman but it might be a useful vehicle for introducing central ideas for those new to non-dual thinking as well as drawing insights from those well-practised and well-versed in the Holy Tradition. Please give me a little time for thought on this. I am also aware that I began posting Upadesha Sahasri material last year but had to put the practice to one side as other matters took precedence. My PhD studies will take me back into this later in the Spring and it maybe that something in that study may be more relevant for the group. Thank you for your encouragemant, and peace and happiness to you all in the studies ahead, Ken Knight New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Namaste Sri Ken: This topic of your interest is well connected to the famous Sanskrit poem by Vallabhaacaarya praising Lord Krishna (Madurastakam). The musical recital of this poem was rendered by my one of my favorite singer Srimathi M.S. Subbalakshimi. Though I don't know the exact site, MP3 music may be available and several cassettes and Cds by various other artists may also be available. As advaitins we do recognize the importance of surrendering our ego to the Almighty (Self) and poem certainly will lead us to that direction. Here the ego is getting superimposed with the sweetness of the Lord! Warmest regards, Ram Chandran =========================== adharam madhuram vadanam madhuram nayanam madhuram hasitam madhuram hridayam madhuram gamanam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram vacanam madhuram caritam madhuram vasanam madhuram valitam madhuram calitam madhuram bhramitam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram venur madhurO renur madhurah pAnir madhurah pAdau madhurah nrityam madhuram sakhyam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram gItam madhuram pItam madhuram bhuktam madhuram suptam madhuram rUpam madhuram tilakam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram karanam madhuram taranam madhuram haranam madhuram smaranam madhuram vamitam madhuram samitam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram gumjA madhurA mAlA madhurA yamunA madhurA vIcI madhurA salilam madhuram kamalam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram gOpI madhurA lIlA madhurA yuktam madhuram bhuktam madhuram drishtam madhuram sishtam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram gOpA madhurA gAvO madhurA yashtir madhurA srishtir madhurA dalitam madhuram phalitam madhuram mathurA dhipate rakhilam madhuram - Meaning: Sweet are Your lips, sweet is Your face, sweet are Your eyes, sweet is Your smile, sweet is Your heart, sweet is Your gait, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet are Your words, sweet is Your story, sweet are Your garments, sweet is Your presence, sweet are Your movements, sweet are Your roamings, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet is Your flute, sweet is the dust of Your feet, sweet are Your hands, sweet are Your feet, sweet is Your dance, sweet is Your friendship, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet is Your song, what is drunk by You is sweet, what is eaten by You is sweet, and sweet is Your sleep. Sweet is Your form, sweet is the mark on Your forehead, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet are Your works, sweet is Your conquest, sweet is Your theft, sweet is Your remembrance, sweet are Your offerings, sweet is Your cure, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet is Your murmuring, sweet is Your garland, sweet is the Yamuna River, sweet are the waves, sweet is the water, sweet is the lotus flower, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet are the Gopis, sweet is Your divine sporting, sweet is Your union, sweet are Your experiences, what You behold is sweet, sweet are Your left overs, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. Sweet are the Gopas, sweet are the cows, sweet are the pearls around Your neck, sweet is Your creation, sweet are Your victories, sweet are Your jokes, O Lord of Mathura, everything about You is sweet. advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > Another possibility would be in a > present interest of mine in the quality of > 'sweetness'...madhur and svadha and the possible link > with soma in its subtle meaning. Such a topic may > lead to sidetracks on saguna and nirguna brahman but > it might be a useful vehicle for introducing central > ideas for those new to non-dual thinking as well as > drawing insights from those well-practised and > well-versed in the Holy Tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Namaste Kenji, Just the humility in your language is enough to elevate you to a status we can only dream of! I shall leave the theme of the topic, and the time frame to your choice entirely. Rest assured that whatever benefits you will benefit all of us too. Wishing you all success in the pursuit of your Doctorate. Regards, Sunder advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > > May I please mark time before replying positively on > this one? I chose the name 'anirvacaniya' for my new > e-mail address with a certain touch of English irony. > Although dedicated to advaita-based mail only, the > mail-box was just about full when I returned from > three weeks in Ireland!!!! > Should you really think me worthy of leading a month's > topic then I would need the support of the real > Sanskritists on this site. I do prefer to work closely > with some text and that means overcoming the problem > of translation into a limited-spiritual language such > as English. However, as I am not a linguist, when > studying sruti I rely on the insights of an intuitive > flash that may give rise to some formulated meaning > that is useful for a time but is to be inevitably > discarded later. Often quite quickly!! Although I may > personally learn, or unlearn, a lot from such an > exercise I am not sure if others may benefit. > > As to your suggested title. Would it be in the remit > of this group? Another possibility would be in a > present interest of mine in the quality of > 'sweetness'...madhur and svadha and the possible link > with soma in its subtle meaning. Such a topic may > lead to sidetracks on saguna and nirguna brahman but > it might be a useful vehicle for introducing central > ideas for those new to non-dual thinking as well as > drawing insights from those well-practised and > well-versed in the Holy Tradition. > > Please give me a little time for thought on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 --- Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > Namaste Kenji, > > Just the humility in your language is > enough to elevate > you to a status we can only dream of! Namste Sunderji, Ah humility. True humility is empowering and long may we all seek such a quality. Far away from this is the ahamkaric voice saying 'I am not worthy, I do not know anything.' Still, Shakespeare tells us to 'Assume a virtue is we have it not' and maybe alchemy will do the rest. Given that we are taught to 'Initiate nothing' but to be responsible, that is 'be able to respond', a positive response to you is necessary. Hence, with trepidation, I will place my ignorance on the sacrificial fire and trust that you will all be compassionate and merciful. Following your suggestion I should therefore accept the title you suggested initially and see what happens, trusting that all the energy and knowledge is there in that request. Since I previously posted something on 'Maya in the Vedas' I have managed to solve the problem of cross-referencing I had encountered in the various books. This will give me a chance to sort all that out which I will do when I get some time. I will also try to find a copy of Shastri's 'Doctrine of Maya'. If you still think that the Maya topic is correct for this site then I would be able to approach the fires in May or June, if that is OK with you, when I should be at the keyboard every day. Prior to that there will be some weeks in the wilderness as it were. Thank you for pushing me along, as Rumi wrote: 'I look not at tongue and speech, I look at the spirit and the inward feeling. I look into the heart to see whether it be lowly, though the words uttered be not lowly. Enough of phrases and conceits and metaphors! I want burning, burning; become familiar with that burning! Light up the fire of love in thy souls, burn all thought and expression away! O Moses, they that know the conventions are of one sort, they whose souls burn are another.” The religion of love is apart from all religions. The lovers of God have no religion but God alone.’ Happy Moderating to you, Ken New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Namaste Kenji, To be able to quote Shakespeare, Rumi, & Shatapatha Brahmana in one breath tells us you are ready for the sacrifice of ignorance! Besides, your own words are worthy of quotation in their own right. June or later appears a good time to book your presentation. Be prepared for extended 'encore'-s like Anandaji had to face! No topic can be as correct for this list as Maya! So allow us to hold our breath and contemplate on this anticipated event. Regards, Sunder advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > Ah humility. True humility is empowering and long may > we all seek such a quality. Hence, with > trepidation, I will place my ignorance on the > sacrificial fire and trust that you will all be > compassionate and merciful. > Following your suggestion I should therefore accept > the title you suggested initially and see what > happens, This will give me a chance to sort all that out > which I will do when I get some time. I will also try > to find a copy of Shastri's 'Doctrine of Maya'. > If you still think that the Maya topic is correct for > this site then I would be able to approach the fires > in May or June, if that is OK with you, I > The religion of love is apart from all religions. The > lovers of God have no religion but God alone.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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