Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 - "ken knight" <anirvacaniya > Namaste all, > There is a prayer, meditation practice, known as 'St > Patrick's Breastplate'. The 'Breastplate' prayers are > traditon within Celtic Christianity. > Part of this prayer is: > 'Christ before me, Christ behind me > Christ on my right, Christ on my left > Christ above me, Christ below me.' > - That immortal Brahman alone is before, that Brahman is behind, that Brahman is to the right and left. Brahman alone pervades everything above and below; this universe is that Supreme Brahman alone. - mundakOpanishad 2.2.11 Hari Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > Namaste all, > There is a prayer, meditation practice, known as 'St > Patrick's Breastplate'. The 'Breastplate' prayers are > traditon within Celtic Christianity. > Part of this prayer is: > 'Christ before me, Christ behind me > Christ on my right, Christ on my left > Christ above me, Christ below me.' Namaste Kenji, Subbalaksmi singing madhurashtakam is at: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/02000H000P =========================================================== "Breastplate prayers" - One is in Ganapati Atharvashirsha http://www.siddhivinayak.org/audios/index.htm audio http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_ganesha/doc_ganesha.html gaNapatyatharvashIrSha ava pashchaattaat.h .. ava purastaat.h .. avottaraattaat.h .. ava dakshiNaattaat.h .. ava chordhvaattaat.h .. avaadharaattaat.h .. sarvato maaM paahi paahi sama.ntaat.h .. 3.. and also in Gita: namaH purastaadatha pR^ishhThataste namo.astu te sarvata eva sarva . anantaviiryaamitavikramastva.n sarva.n samaapnoshhi tato.asi sarvaH .. 11\-40.. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > Note for Sunderji: > 'Thanks for the encouragement, parrots can quote very > well but not always with understanding.' > Namaste Kenji, Please don't underestimate the parrots' understanding! You may have heard the story of how Shankara asked for the directions to the house of Mandana Mishra when he landed in his town for a debate. The local resident told him: "Follow this road, and when you hear two parrots debating the Vedic rites, know that to be Mandana's house!!!" So just following your quotations alone should guarantee us a the right destination! Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Namaste Ranjeet, Thanks very much for the mundakOpanishad reference. That's exactly the one that I had remembered but had forgotten the source. I had been asked to back up my assertion...in a conversation...that this was an ancient tradition and now have the evidence to present to those challenging my assertion. Best wishes ken knight --- Ranjeet Sankar <thefinalsearch wrote: > > - > "ken knight" <anirvacaniya > > > Namaste all, > > There is a prayer, meditation practice, known as > 'St > > Patrick's Breastplate'. The 'Breastplate' prayers > are > > traditon within Celtic Christianity. > > Part of this prayer is: > > > 'Christ before me, Christ behind me > > Christ on my right, Christ on my left > > Christ above me, Christ below me.' > > > - > > That immortal Brahman alone is before, that Brahman > is behind, > that Brahman is to the right and left. > Brahman alone pervades everything above and below; > this universe is that Supreme Brahman alone. - > mundakOpanishad 2.2.11 > > > Hari Om > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Namaste Sunderji, It's getting near to bedtime here in the UK so this will be the last posting of a valuable day with us all answering each other's questions. When I posted the 'parrot' thought to you I did think of this Mandana Misra/Shankara debate story. Maybe we are telepathic. I have never known if the story was suggesting that the people there chattered like parrots without understanding or that even the parrots have great understanding in the presence of such great masters as Mandana. If others do not know the story, here it is taken from ShankaraDigVijaya of Madhava Vidyaranya, translated by Swami Tapasyananda, Canto 8: 'Finishing his morning rites and after resting awhile, Shankara started for Mandana's place along the road, before it was noon. On the way he met a number of maidservants going to fetch water in pots for use at Mandana's house. When he asked them for instructions to find out Mandana's house, these women, wonder-struck by the sight of the imposing personality of Shankara, replied very respectfully: "You will find nearby a house at whose gate there are a number of parrots in cages, discussing topics like this:"Has the Veda self-validity, or does it depend on some external authority for its validity? Are karmas capable of yielding their fruits directly, or do they require the intervention of God to do so? Is the world eternal, or is it a mere appearance? Where you find the strange phenomena of caged birds discussing such abstruse philosophical problems, know that to be the gate of Mandana's house." Shankara with his disciples spotted the house but found its gates closed. So he dropped into the compound from the sky.' It seems that the parrots got there before us with regard to the June topic. Time for sleep, Ken New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 To continue the story ........ That is when he was asked - kuto mu.nDi? Liberal meaning - Hay bald fellow where did you come from? But Shankara purposely interprets the question - Where did you shave from? Shankara answered - aaka.nThata (from my neck upwards) When you come to US and visit Arizona You are also most likely to see a parrot. This parrot also talks about veda from the advita school of thoughts. Now he has united me, myself and I (i); so he just talks to himself. Holy trinity united in "ONE". When you find it that would be Dr. Yadu's house. I had narrated this story in one of my talks but my humorous side would not leave me alone. Regards, Dr. Yadu advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > Namaste Sunderji, > It's getting near to bedtime here in the UK so this > will be the last posting of a valuable day with us all > answering each other's questions. > When I posted the 'parrot' thought to you I did think > of this Mandana Misra/Shankara debate story. Maybe we > are telepathic. I have never known if the story was > suggesting that the people there chattered like > parrots without understanding or that even the parrots > have great understanding in the presence of such great > masters as Mandana. > If others do not know the story, here it is taken from > ShankaraDigVijaya of Madhava Vidyaranya, translated by > Swami Tapasyananda, Canto 8: > 'Finishing his morning rites and after resting awhile, > Shankara started for Mandana's place along the road, > before it was noon. On the way he met a number of > maidservants going to fetch water in pots for use at > Mandana's house. When he asked them for instructions > to find out Mandana's house, these women, > wonder-struck by the sight of the imposing personality > of Shankara, replied very respectfully: "You will find > nearby a house at whose gate there are a number of > parrots in cages, discussing topics like this:"Has the > Veda self-validity, or does it depend on some external > authority for its validity? Are karmas capable of > yielding their fruits directly, or do they require the > intervention of God to do so? Is the world eternal, or > is it a mere appearance? Where you find the strange > phenomena of caged birds discussing such abstruse > philosophical problems, know that to be the gate of > Mandana's house." Shankara with his disciples spotted > the house but found its gates closed. So he dropped > into the compound from the sky.' > > It seems that the parrots got there before us with > regard to the June topic. > > Time for sleep, > > Ken > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Namaste, In Ganapathya Upanishad such a prayer occurs in the beginning. Hari Om Mani ken knight <anirvacaniya wrote: Namaste all, There is a prayer, meditation practice, known as 'St Patrick's Breastplate'. The 'Breastplate' prayers are traditon within Celtic Christianity. Part of this prayer is: 'Christ before me, Christ behind me Christ on my right, Christ on my left Christ above me, Christ below me.' I used to adapt this by using many different words in place of, as well as, Christ. Then one day I found an almost identical practice within Asian traditions. I think the word 'light' was used. Now I want to find my source for that and cannot remember where it was. Have any members of this group any knowledge of such a tradition, or a similar format, within Asian advaitin or vishistadvaitin practice? Note for Sunderji: 'Thanks for the encouragement, parrots can quote very well but not always with understanding.' Best wishes Ken --- Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > Namaste Kenji, > > To be able to quote Shakespeare, Rumi, & > Shatapatha Brahmana > in one breath tells us you are ready for the > sacrifice of ignorance! > Besides, your own words are worthy of quotation in > their own right. > > June or later appears a good time to book > your presentation. > Be prepared for extended 'encore'-s like Anandaji > had to face! > > No topic can be as correct for this list as > Maya! So allow > us to hold our breath and contemplate on this > anticipated event. > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > > > > advaitin, ken knight > <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > > > Ah humility. True humility is empowering and long > may > > we all seek such a quality. > > Hence, with > > trepidation, I will place my ignorance on the > > sacrificial fire and trust that you will all be > > compassionate and merciful. > > Following your suggestion I should therefore > accept > > the title you suggested initially and see what > > happens, > > This will give me a chance to sort all that out > > which I will do when I get some time. I will also > try > > to find a copy of Shastri's 'Doctrine of Maya'. > > If you still think that the Maya topic is correct > for > > this site then I would be able to approach the > fires > > in May or June, if that is OK with you, > > I > > The religion of love is apart from all religions. > The > > lovers of God have no religion but God alone.' > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages advaitin/ advaitin Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Namaste Dr Yadu, When I visit Arizona you must tell me what it was like when Indra saved you from the great flood. Is that why you chose Arizona to live now? When your parrot and you are one, and Dr Yadu's house has become the big house of samashti, where is the parrot? Happy story telling, Ken --- ymoharir <ymoharir wrote: > To continue the story ........ > > That is when he was asked - kuto mu.nDi? > > Liberal meaning - Hay bald fellow where did you come > from? But > Shankara purposely interprets the question - Where > did you shave from? > > Shankara answered - aaka.nThata (from my neck > upwards) > > When you come to US and visit Arizona You are also > most likely to see > a parrot. This parrot also talks about veda from > the advita school > of thoughts. Now he has united me, myself and I (i); > so he just talks > to himself. Holy trinity united in "ONE". When > you find it that > would be Dr. Yadu's house. > > I had narrated this story in one of my talks but my > humorous side > would not leave me alone. > > Regards, > > Dr. Yadu > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote: > Namaste, > In Ganapathya Upanishad such a prayer occurs in the > beginning. > Hari Om > Mani Namaste, Thank you for this. And thanks also to Sunderji for his links....the chanting was exceptionally good. I have been trying to download the whole of the Ganapathya Upanishad from this site http://www.shivashakti.com/ganesh.htm but keep getting the 'page not available' order. Maybe I need someone to remove the obstacle for me. If anyone can download this upanishad could you please let me know the trick or could you please cut and paste a copy for me. Many thanks Ken > > ken knight <anirvacaniya wrote: > Namaste all, > There is a prayer, meditation practice, known as 'St > Patrick's Breastplate'. The 'Breastplate' prayers > are > traditon within Celtic Christianity. > Part of this prayer is: > 'Christ before me, Christ behind me > Christ on my right, Christ on my left > Christ above me, Christ below me.' > > I used to adapt this by using many different words > in > place of, as well as, Christ. Then one day I found > an > almost identical practice within Asian traditions. > I > think the word 'light' was used. > Now I want to find my source for that and cannot > remember where it was. Have any members of this > group > any knowledge of such a tradition, or a similar > format, within Asian advaitin or vishistadvaitin > practice? > > Note for Sunderji: > 'Thanks for the encouragement, parrots can quote > very > well but not always with understanding.' > > Best wishes > > Ken > > > --- Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote: > > Namaste Kenji, > > > > To be able to quote Shakespeare, Rumi, & > > Shatapatha Brahmana > > in one breath tells us you are ready for the > > sacrifice of ignorance! > > Besides, your own words are worthy of quotation in > > their own right. > > > > June or later appears a good time to book > > your presentation. > > Be prepared for extended 'encore'-s like Anandaji > > had to face! > > > > No topic can be as correct for this list > as > > Maya! So allow > > us to hold our breath and contemplate on this > > anticipated event. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunder > > > > > > > > > > > > advaitin, ken knight > > <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > > > > > Ah humility. True humility is empowering and > long > > may > > > we all seek such a quality. > > > > Hence, with > > > trepidation, I will place my ignorance on the > > > sacrificial fire and trust that you will all be > > > compassionate and merciful. > > > Following your suggestion I should therefore > > accept > > > the title you suggested initially and see what > > > happens, > > > > This will give me a chance to sort all that out > > > which I will do when I get some time. I will > also > > try > > > to find a copy of Shastri's 'Doctrine of Maya'. > > > If you still think that the Maya topic is > correct > > for > > > this site then I would be able to approach the > > fires > > > in May or June, if that is OK with you, > > > > I > > > The religion of love is apart from all > religions. > > The > > > lovers of God have no religion but God alone.' > > > > > > > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy > of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : > advaitin > Messages Archived at: > advaitin/messages > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > advaitin/ > > > advaitin > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" > Sweepstakes > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 advaitin, ken knight <anirvacaniya> wrote: > > --- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani> wrote: > > Namaste, > > In Ganapathya Upanishad such a prayer occurs in the > > beginning. > > Hari Om > > Mani > > Namaste, > Thank you for this. And thanks also to Sunderji for > his links....the chanting was exceptionally good. > I have been trying to download the whole of the > Ganapathya Upanishad from this site > http://www.shivashakti.com/ganesh.htm > but keep getting the 'page not available' order. Namaste, Ganapati upanishad is also called Ganapati atharvashirsha. It can be downloaded from: http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_upanishhat/doc_upanishhat.html (text) http://www.siddhivinayak.org/audios/index.htm (audio) Reagrds, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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