Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

Ockham's Razor for Indians

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Namaste,

 

Thanks to Sadaji's urging, I posted this message on the dualistic

(dvaitin) Vidavali list. I thought it was kind of funny and also

related to our maya discussion, so I will take the liberty of posting

it here. It is worth thinking about.

 

Do not worry! I will not copy the entire discussion over here as it

proceeds. Also, I will not stick around for long over there. This

list is already plenty of work ... even just reading it!

 

 

Message to Vidavali:

 

Namaste,

 

It is with considerable trepidation that I pay a brief visit here. I

am familiar with some of Sri Jay's posts, and I have no illusions

about winning any arguments here. What he says is very intelligent

and well reasoned and even irrefutable, if we take certain

assumptions for granted.

 

My only point is that it is not necessary to take those assumptions

for granted, namely, the existence of a world independent of

consciousness. All of science can be reduced to observations, which

are by definition within consciousness. It is an extraneous and

unnecessary hypothesis to further postulate an external world. We

only do so because different observers have similar observations when

they are 'in the same place'. And to be 'in the same place' means no

more than that different observers are having similar observations.

 

May I be so optimistic as to hope that you can at least accept this

as a reasonable and plausible theory, even it you can't quite believe

in it? It is not sheer nonsense. It is self-consistent and also

consistent with observations.

 

It is also the simplest theory that is consistent with observations.

Something in Western philosophy called 'Ockham's razor' says that we

should accept the simplest theory consistent with observations. Is

there a similar principle in Indian philosophy?

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

Link to comment
Share on other sites

--- Benjamin <orion777ben wrote:

> It is also the simplest theory that is consistent with observations.

> Something in Western philosophy called 'Ockham's razor' says that we

> should accept the simplest theory consistent with observations. Is

> there a similar principle in Indian philosophy?

>

> Hari Om!

> Benjamin

 

In Navyanaaya - this is a similar concept, may not be exact - The law of

parsimony - or laaghavam - in a way accepting simplistic straightforward

concept as more basic than more complicated relationships.

Hari OM!

Sadananda

 

 

=====

What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have is your gift

to Him - Swami Chinmayananda.

 

 

 

Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes

http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Namaste Benjaminji,

 

In Indian philosophy, Ockham's razor is called the principle of

parsimony.

 

Regards,

Chittaranjan

 

 

 

advaitin, Benjamin <orion777ben> wrote:

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> Thanks to Sadaji's urging, I posted this message on the dualistic

> (dvaitin) Vidavali list. I thought it was kind of funny and also

> related to our maya discussion, so I will take the liberty of

posting

> it here. It is worth thinking about.

>

> Do not worry! I will not copy the entire discussion over here as

it

> proceeds. Also, I will not stick around for long over there. This

> list is already plenty of work ... even just reading it!

>

>

> Message to Vidavali:

>

> Namaste,

>

> It is with considerable trepidation that I pay a brief visit here.

I

> am familiar with some of Sri Jay's posts, and I have no illusions

> about winning any arguments here. What he says is very intelligent

> and well reasoned and even irrefutable, if we take certain

> assumptions for granted.

>

> My only point is that it is not necessary to take those assumptions

> for granted, namely, the existence of a world independent of

> consciousness. All of science can be reduced to observations,

which

> are by definition within consciousness. It is an extraneous and

> unnecessary hypothesis to further postulate an external world. We

> only do so because different observers have similar observations

when

> they are 'in the same place'. And to be 'in the same place' means

no

> more than that different observers are having similar observations.

>

> May I be so optimistic as to hope that you can at least accept this

> as a reasonable and plausible theory, even it you can't quite

believe

> in it? It is not sheer nonsense. It is self-consistent and also

> consistent with observations.

>

> It is also the simplest theory that is consistent with

observations.

> Something in Western philosophy called 'Ockham's razor' says that

we

> should accept the simplest theory consistent with observations. Is

> there a similar principle in Indian philosophy?

>

> Hari Om!

> Benjamin

Link to comment
Share on other sites

advaitin, kuntimaddi sadananda

>

> In Navyanaaya - this is a similar concept, may not be exact - The

law of

> parsimony - or laaghavam - in a way accepting simplistic

straightforward

> concept as more basic than more complicated relationships.

 

Namaste,

 

For a quick overview of Nyaya, and Advaitasiddhi, these

articles are helpful:

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~pushpasri/nyaya/

 

http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/series/as/AS_verse_01.htm (18 pages

01-18)

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...