re:the real and unreal(question to sadaji)

[Guest guest]

namaskaar vishal ji,

maya is not qualia created by sense organs. sense organs are itsellf

created by the maya. as krishna mentions in gita that earth, water,

fire, air, ether,mind intellect & ego constitute my inferior prakriti.

the satva guna of prakriti interacting with five elements is gives

birth to jnanenderis(five senses).

rajas interacting with five elements gives birth to five karmendris

(hands, legs etc.)

tamoguna gives rise to this physical vesture(sthool shareera).

 

what we perceive through our senses is this physical world and the

impression it creates on our mind, the vasana created by it is

manifested during dream state. but during profound sleep there is no

world hence, no perception and as it is known by the saying-- i was

not aware of anything while asleep.

prakriti is the shakti of God, shakti of Shiva. if you have a talent

for example, of painting, the talent is not a seperate thing from

you. you are always with your talent. in the same way power(shakti)

of God is same as God. Shiva and Shakti are one and the same thing,

there is nothing but Shiva. Shiva is trikala abhadita satya.

Shiva is the root of everything. these three states(awake, dream,

sleep) are manifested in the Shiva, but not different from Shiva like

you say gold ring and gold bangle are one and the same thing-- gold.

so world and Shiva are not at all different whatever shape one may

see it is nothing but Shiva, but aham vritti(I- feeling) that i am

this jiva which is bound to the cycle of birth and death is the root

cause of ajnana. if an gold ring is melted it does not mean that it

was the end of the gold(& you loose your money,lolz). gold is still

there and can be moulded to a new shape( a big relief, i did not

loose my money). in the same way,

the body comes to an end but self does not, the world comes to an

end but Shiva does not.

aad sach jugad sach hai vi sach nanak hosi vi sach

it was in the beginning,it had been for centuries, it is & will

always be.

this consciousness is not perceived by senses. it can not be

expressed by speech, can not be seen as kenopnishad shruti says it

can not be seen but enables eyes to see.mind can not think of

Brahman but it enables mind to think. you drive a bicycle, but a

bicycle never drives you. in the same way, senses and mind can never

perceive Brahman. therefore, shruti says from the self knows the

self. the self sees the self . the best way in which Brahman is

known has been described as--

i don't know Brahman but it's not that i don't know Brahman the one

who knows Brahman in this way knows it.

 

i don't know Brahman is said in context of jiva that Brahman can not

known by the senses, mind & intellect that is by the jiva but it's

not that i don't know Brahman because it's Me. i am Brahman & i know

myself. thus, from the self knows the self. when advaita is there who

is the witness & who is being watched. there is just oneness. as

ramana mahrishi said once neither conciousness nor unconsciousness(i

read it in a mail in nondualitysalon) if we call sthing conscious

then there has to be sthing unconsciousness which is not possible

that's it is said everything is consciousness.

at the parmaarthik level, there is no duality and a world is like a

wave in the ocean which rises & then gets merged in the ocean but

never seperate from the ocean.

with regards

gautam.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gautamji for the thoughtful response.

 

PraNAms

 

 

dr_gmadan <pranavomkaar wrote:

namaskaar vishal ji,

maya is not qualia created by sense organs. sense organs are itsellf

created by the maya. as krishna mentions in gita that earth, water,

fire, air, ether,mind intellect & ego constitute my inferior prakriti.

the satva guna of prakriti interacting with five elements is gives

birth to jnanenderis(five senses).

rajas interacting with five elements gives birth to five karmendris

(hands, legs etc.)

tamoguna gives rise to this physical vesture(sthool shareera).

 

what we perceive through our senses is this physical world and the

impression it creates on our mind, the vasana created by it is

manifested during dream state. but during profound sleep there is no

world hence, no perception and as it is known by the saying-- i was

not aware of anything while asleep.

prakriti is the shakti of God, shakti of Shiva. if you have a talent

for example, of painting, the talent is not a seperate thing from

you. you are always with your talent. in the same way power(shakti)

of God is same as God. Shiva and Shakti are one and the same thing,

there is nothing but Shiva. Shiva is trikala abhadita satya.

Shiva is the root of everything. these three states(awake, dream,

sleep) are manifested in the Shiva, but not different from Shiva like

you say gold ring and gold bangle are one and the same thing-- gold.

so world and Shiva are not at all different whatever shape one may

see it is nothing but Shiva, but aham vritti(I- feeling) that i am

this jiva which is bound to the cycle of birth and death is the root

cause of ajnana. if an gold ring is melted it does not mean that it

was the end of the gold(& you loose your money,lolz). gold is still

there and can be moulded to a new shape( a big relief, i did not

loose my money). in the same way,

the body comes to an end but self does not, the world comes to an

end but Shiva does not.

aad sach jugad sach hai vi sach nanak hosi vi sach

it was in the beginning,it had been for centuries, it is & will

always be.

this consciousness is not perceived by senses. it can not be

expressed by speech, can not be seen as kenopnishad shruti says it

can not be seen but enables eyes to see.mind can not think of

Brahman but it enables mind to think. you drive a bicycle, but a

bicycle never drives you. in the same way, senses and mind can never

perceive Brahman. therefore, shruti says from the self knows the

self. the self sees the self . the best way in which Brahman is

known has been described as--

i don't know Brahman but it's not that i don't know Brahman the one

who knows Brahman in this way knows it.

 

i don't know Brahman is said in context of jiva that Brahman can not

known by the senses, mind & intellect that is by the jiva but it's

not that i don't know Brahman because it's Me. i am Brahman & i know

myself. thus, from the self knows the self. when advaita is there who

is the witness & who is being watched. there is just oneness. as

ramana mahrishi said once neither conciousness nor unconsciousness(i

read it in a mail in nondualitysalon) if we call sthing conscious

then there has to be sthing unconsciousness which is not possible

that's it is said everything is consciousness.

at the parmaarthik level, there is no duality and a world is like a

wave in the ocean which rises & then gets merged in the ocean but

never seperate from the ocean.

with regards

gautam.

 

 

 

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