Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 ATMANUBHAVA Dear Benjaminji, Sincere thanks for two things : - Your kind and detailed response to my note on Personal Adequacy; - Your gracious permission to me to continue writing the way I seem to be doing nowadays. ( you can imagine how garrulous I would be in case we should meet …. But that is partly because of a gradual decline in aural proclivities …another thing is the relative anonymity that email provides .. a cover for one’s embarrassment or discomfiture .. it enables one to recover one’s equanimity and re-think one’s views!) I ACCEPT YOUR VIEWS UNCONDITIONALLY I do not know much about Islam. I am only tempted to try to correct your impression that ‘ colonialism was partly justified as a Christian duty.’ I am of course speaking in the context of India. The Portuguese ( including a person called Vasco Da Gama ) were the earliest visitors from Christendom. They apparently reveled in materialism and like their activities in South America , they only grabbed some wealth and land and defaced the culture they found .( The sculptures at the rock temples at Elephanta off Bombay – now Mumbai- were shot at by Portuguese soldiers for fun ). Thankfully, the Spanish somehow did not make it to India. The British arrived more as traders than missionaries. The riches they found in this sub-continent caught their imagination and they gradually started putting roots. The earliest British settlers were almost absorbed into the extant culture ( mostly Moghul ). They became landowners, took Indian wives and started settling down. It was then that a Christian revivalist movement started in the UK and finally found its way into the style of management of their activities in India. The Christian missionary became an important part of British administration because there was a fear that otherwise the British colonizers would be lost to the culture of India. Christian missions were actively encouraged by the British authorities and granted a lot of land and other facilities. In spite of this precaution, there were any number of administrators ( at all levels from a plain soldier to a high ranking official ) who contributed to the collection, collation and compilation of vast amounts of historical data. Sir John Woodruffe ( better known as Arthur Avalon ) and Paul Brunton are perhaps the better known, but there were literally countless others, not only from the UK but Germany and USA also. I am currently compiling, for my own understanding and reference, a ‘ Life of Sankara’. My basis are three books , published in 1933, 1959 and most recently in 2002. In one of these , I have come across the name Charles Johnstone , apparently an English philosopher, one Professor Wilson, and one Dr Hultzch. Unfortunately, the first two books do not give a bibliography. ( In case anyone in this group can help me with a reference list or websites on Sankara’s life, I would be most obliged !) So much for missionaries. I wonder whether I am intuitively defending the people I knew. I might as well come out with it … Mother Anne of the Convent of St Joseph, Father Coelho of the Society of Jesus, Dr AJ Boyd, Dr John Macphail, and Dr Chandran Devenesan , all of Madras Christian College..( Dr Boyd was a close friend of my maternal grandfather who was himself an alumni of MCC !) None of them ever tried any proselitisation . This brings me to the point about ‘exclusiveness ‘ and ‘god-men ‘. This grandfather of mine , Rajamantrapravina ( a title bestowed by the erstwhile Maharaja of Mysore meaning ‘ Foremost amongst the King’s Ministers’ ) was a fascinating person. He was at once a leading administrator, keenly involved in matters of state, and a philosopher. The Maharaja, Sri Krishnarajendra Wadeyar, at that time, was himself a visionary with strong leanings to heavy industrialization( it was said that he spent a spell in the US and perhaps Harvard ). At his prodding, my maternal grandfather and several other ministers were made to look at all sorts of technologies. When they wished to put up a hydro electric power station , the British authorities tried to demur stating that electricity was not really required for this part of the world. While there were extant treaties with the British which were of a ‘defence’ orientation, the maharajas enjoyed considerable autonomy to rule as they liked. This gentleman persuaded his ministers to go to the US. The result was the hydro-electric power project did come up with GE equipment. The Mysore Lamp factory was similarly put up with GE help ! Coming back to my grandfather, he was a Sishya of Jagadguru Sri Chandrasekhara Bharathi of the Sringeri Math ( the first establishment set up by Sankara ). He was deep into Vedanta. I remember him in the 1940s when he had retired, sitting in his roon, practicing pranayama. He took a lot of interest in his grandchildren. He knew every child’s birthday and you could be sure to receive a letter from him with some Mantra or other benediction. He wrote every year to me till 1972 when he passed away. He would invariably sign his letters with the words, ‘ Yours affectionately …’ and a huge scrawl of a signature. But from 1969 he started signing the letter, ‘ Your grandfather in God …’ ! When he passed away, so my grandmother told me later when I came from Bombay to call , the then Jagadguru of Sringeri, Sri Abhinava Theertha Bharathi, came to call on her. As the house was in mourning ( for 13 days according to sampradaya) he sat on a chair outside the front door and addressed her , ‘ Mother! Do not grieve! Sri Ramanathan and I were fellow Shishyas ( Guru brothers is the word ) .. He has attained Moksha . He will never be born again !’ When we consider the question of ‘exclusiveness’ or ‘ God-men ‘ , I prefer to think of ‘expansiveness’ and ‘ God-realised men ‘! The world may talk of ‘exclusiveness’ or ‘divisiveness’. It is their privilege. But as aspiring advaitins seeking ‘ Total Consciousness’ which pervades the entire universe, we can be ‘expansive’ in outlook and look seriously at the ‘God-realised men ‘.Admittedly there may be many hypocrites. But there may be genuine advaitins also, who have ‘seen’ all that is to be seen and ‘known’ all that is to be known. We can be discriminating but not dismissive. When we are rooted in our conviction that there is only Parabrahman, rubbing shoulders with the world, may be at best, beneficial, but never damaging. But I respect your views. I am sharing my ‘anubhava’ only to illustrate my viewpoint, certainly not to dogmatise. One more experience in the search for the Truth . Mahasivarathri is on Feb 18, Wednesday. For the last three years, this has suddenly become a landmark in our life, rather like Christmas. It is said that the mind waxes and wanes like the moon. I actually think a particular aspect of the mind changes, and I call it ‘ the deluding capability ‘ of the mind. Every month, it is said, a couple of days before the New Moon ( called Amavasya ) this aspect of the mind reaches its lowest strength. The monthly occurrences are called Monthly Sivarathris. But the Mahasivarathri occurs at the New Moon just before the March/April New Moon, which heralds the New Year all over India. On this day, the ‘deluding aspect’ of the mind is said to come to zero capability. Any form of meditation or worship on this occasion is certain to be highly beneficial. Contact with the Self is guaranteed, so to speak. We keep an all night vigil from about 6pm that evening to 6am the next morning. Just my wife and me. Having other people can distract. We break up the twelve hours into hourly sessions and either chant or read something. Just ‘ Om’ for an hour. Then maybe ‘Om Nama Shivaya’ for an hour. Then read the ‘ Sivasahasranamam’ which could easily take upto an hour. Then ‘ Sivananda Lahiri’ of Sankara which can take another hour. The first year, 2001, we said it all aloud. The next year, 2002, we started saying a lot of it in our mind. Last year, 2003, all was in the mind. I look forward to next week! I believe some clarity has come to me , maybe partly because of this. Anyone can do this. It may help in its own way. Thanks for allowing me to share. Advaitins should feel free to comment. Warm regards and pranams Mohan India Education Special: Study in the UK now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Namaste Mohanji >Your gracious permission to me to continue writing >the way I seem to be doing nowadays... Please note that I am NOT authorized to assume any moderator roles! It only appears that way sometimes because I talk so much here. However, I am sure that the REAL moderators are quite glad to read your articulate and heartfelt messages. But let me remind the list that this month's main topic is supposed to be the Amritanubhava, posted by Nirmalaji, who should be starting up again any moment now, after her trip to Florida. >I am only tempted to try to correct your impression that >'colonialism was partly justified as a Christian duty'. Oh my God!!! NO! NO! NO! I never said that! On the contrary, I was criticizing those Christians in the past who used Christianity as an excuse for colonialism. I was criticizing the tendency in Christianity and Islam to think that their religion is the best one, so that this sometimes justifies an aggressive attempt to propagate it. It shocks me that I choose my words so poorly as to be completely misunderstood. By now, I must have a reputation as a criminal here! :-) The Portuguese did more than 'deface culture'. They sometimes practiced cruel torture on 'heathens', if I can believe a fraction of what I have read. The propagation of Christianity and Islam through force and violence is a very dark chapter in the history of both religions. I am embarrassed by the missionaries who, even today, travel to India to tell you that Hinduism is wrong. We all have a right to choose our religion but not to insult that of others. (Of course, we must criticize religions that preach holy war.) You say that the British arrived more as traders than missionaries. It is true that they were primarily interested in profit and plunder, but religion was used nevertheless to buttress colonialism. The Victorians were quite pious, or pretended to be... Still, let us not overlook the sincere appreciation of many of them for Indian culture and religion. It is the politicians who cause the trouble, but there will always be quiet scholars who appreciate the finer things of life! You mentioned Sir John Woodruffe, for example. Then, there is the 'Aryan Invasion' debate, which is blamed on Western scholarship. Let's not get into that here! There is plenty of that on the web, as you can see at http://infinityfoundation.com/index.shtml and http://www.bharatvani.org/ I think it is wise to take a humanistic attitude and try to synthesize the best of all the world's cultures, rather than arguing who has the best one or who influenced whom. One of the reasons I am interested in Advaita is because its vision keeps reappearing in one form or the other all over the world, in many different religions. It is the true 'mysticism' ... i.e. direct experience of the divine. It is definitely worth studying, even if we don't reach it in this lifetime. And you are right that I must bear in mind the many decent Christian teachers, such as the ones you knew, who, in your words, 'did not attempt any proselytization'. I have never been to India, but I am learning more it all the time. There are many Indians and ex-Indians here in America who, like you, have been educated in Christian schools. They are very nice people and are not one iota less Hindu! Sometimes I spend to much time reading that history which dwells on the darkest episodes of the past. There are many websites full of such information, not all of it reliable! Nobody wants to talk about the good people who attract no attention to themselves. I totally agree with you about 'God-realized men'. This is different from trying to have everything revolve around one single prophet, which is what I was complaining about. As my Swamiji says, 'We are all avatars, but do not yet realize it.' Some who have are pointing the way. That is the right spirit! Your messages are extraordinarily interesting, but we had better get back to the Topic of the Month. Nirmalaji, are you back? Hari Om! Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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