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Chapter 1

Ovi 6

Still they feared separation and gave birth to a child of the size of the

universe.However,their duality (mutual love) remained undivided.

Note: it is a psycological phenominon that the mutual love of an issueless

couple diminishes in the course of time.The birth of a child serves as a knot to

strengthen their conjugal bond ; however when their love is subsequently

shared by a child, it starts diminishing; so there is constant fear of

separationeither way; Siva and Shakti take great care not to allow that

eventuality to

occur.

Ovi 7

Even though they behold the universe of movables and immovables on their own

person, they do not permit themselves to be affected by the contact of the

third.

Note: although the universe is born to them, it has no separate exsistance

apart from them. It is part and parcel of their own bodyonly.Therefore,the

couple remains impervious to the activities of the universe.The ever changing

phenominon of the names and forms is like the ripples in the water.They may rise

or

disappear but the water at the substratum remains calm and placid

Mr R,G Bhagwat states that this treatise explains as Sphuranvada.I think the

closest translation of Sphuran is Effulgence.Dyaneswara states,that the

ultimate description

of reality is sphurana.But he admits that describing is like drawing picture

of a fish on a surface of water.Even Moses could describe it as a blazing fire

.. it is undescribable and still dyanashwara tries to explain.THis description

is so similar to the one in madukya upnishada,but, the poetic explanation

stays in the mind much more than a dry naration .

More of this treatise next time

Nirmala

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Namaste Nirmalaji.

 

Isn't sphuranavada related to the creation of the universe and

comparable to what Prof. Krishnamurthyji discussed about 'spandana'

in the beginning of his Soundarya Lahari posts?

 

Shiva and Shakti are one and the same. Duality is brought in only to

explain.

 

The thoughts here resonate also well with Bhagwad GItA 9th Chapter -

I am in them, not they in me, yOgamaishwaram etc. The words used in

this part are also suggestive of jIvanmuktA 'status' where the

realized is one with Shiva and Shakti (Brahman), sees the entire

creation in himself and yet is not affected by either them or a sense

of separation with them.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

 

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advaitin, slimaye@a... wrote:

> Ovi 7

> Even though they behold the universe of movables and immovables on

their own

> person, they do not permit themselves to be affected by the contact

of the

> third.

> Note: although the universe is born to them, it has no separate

exsistance

> apart from them. It is part and parcel of their own

bodyonly.Therefore,the

> couple remains impervious to the activities of the universe.The

ever changing

> phenominon of the names and forms is like the ripples in the

water.They may rise or

> disappear but the water at the substratum remains calm and placid

> Mr R,G Bhagwat states that this treatise explains as Sphuranvada.I

think the

> closest translation of Sphuran is Effulgence.Dyaneswara states,that

the

> ultimate description

> of reality is sphurana.But he admits that describing is like

drawing picture

> of a fish on a surface of water.Even Moses could describe it as a

blazing fire

> . it is undescribable and still dyanashwara tries to explain.THis

description

> is so similar to the one in madukya upnishada,but, the poetic

explanation

> stays in the mind much more than a dry naration .

> More of this treatise next time

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Madathilji,

I think there is a little difference between sphurana and spandana.Sphurana

is effulgent self whereas spandana may denote movement indicating activity

in the effulgent self I may be wrong in assuming this difference.

-

"Madathil Rajendran Nair" <madathilnair

<advaitin>

Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:08 AM

Re: Amrutanabhav 2

 

> Namaste Nirmalaji.

>

> Isn't sphuranavada related to the creation of the universe and

> comparable to what Prof. Krishnamurthyji discussed about 'spandana'

> in the beginning of his Soundarya Lahari posts?

>

> Shiva and Shakti are one and the same. Duality is brought in only to

> explain.

>

> The thoughts here resonate also well with Bhagwad GItA 9th Chapter -

> I am in them, not they in me, yOgamaishwaram etc. The words used in

> this part are also suggestive of jIvanmuktA 'status' where the

> realized is one with Shiva and Shakti (Brahman), sees the entire

> creation in himself and yet is not affected by either them or a sense

> of separation with them.

>

> PraNAms.

>

> Madathil Nair

>

> _______________

>

> advaitin, slimaye@a... wrote:

> > Ovi 7

> > Even though they behold the universe of movables and immovables on

> their own

> > person, they do not permit themselves to be affected by the contact

> of the

> > third.

> > Note: although the universe is born to them, it has no separate

> exsistance

> > apart from them. It is part and parcel of their own

> bodyonly.Therefore,the

> > couple remains impervious to the activities of the universe.The

> ever changing

> > phenominon of the names and forms is like the ripples in the

> water.They may rise or

> > disappear but the water at the substratum remains calm and placid

> > Mr R,G Bhagwat states that this treatise explains as Sphuranvada.I

> think the

> > closest translation of Sphuran is Effulgence.Dyaneswara states,that

> the

> > ultimate description

> > of reality is sphurana.But he admits that describing is like

> drawing picture

> > of a fish on a surface of water.Even Moses could describe it as a

> blazing fire

> > . it is undescribable and still dyanashwara tries to explain.THis

> description

> > is so similar to the one in madukya upnishada,but, the poetic

> explanation

> > stays in the mind much more than a dry naration .

> > More of this treatise next time

>

>

>

>

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Namaste,

 

In essence, it is 'anirvachanIya'! (inexpressible).

 

Ramana Maharshi also states 'ahaM-sphuraNa' as something that

cannot be described (Talks with Maharshi). We cannot imagine what

kind of 'spandana' can occur in the 'anAhata' OM sound!

 

Bahirat quotes Yogavasishtha using both words -spanda and

sphurana.

 

 

Regards,

 

Sundr

 

 

 

advaitin, "suresh Limaye" <slimaye@c...> wrote:

> Madathilji,

> I think there is a little difference between sphurana and spandana.

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Madathilji,

The Morning prayer by AdiShankara Mentions the word sphuran to relate it to

atmatatvam.

Apte,s dictionary gives a meening for sphurana shining also.So,many

acharya,s have described the Truth which has similar words .It is but

inevitable that there is similarity,because they are trying to explain the

same truth

Nirmala-----

"Madathil Rajendran Nair" <madathilnair

<advaitin>

Sunday, February 15, 2004 7:08 AM

Re: Amrutanabhav 2

 

> Namaste Nirmalaji.

>

> Isn't sphuranavada related to the creation of the universe and

> comparable to what Prof. Krishnamurthyji discussed about 'spandana'

> in the beginning of his Soundarya Lahari posts?

>

> Shiva and Shakti are one and the same. Duality is brought in only to

> explain.

>

> The thoughts here resonate also well with Bhagwad GItA 9th Chapter -

> I am in them, not they in me, yOgamaishwaram etc. The words used in

> this part are also suggestive of jIvanmuktA 'status' where the

> realized is one with Shiva and Shakti (Brahman), sees the entire

> creation in himself and yet is not affected by either them or a sense

> of separation with them.

>

> PraNAms.

>

> Madathil Nair

>

> _______________

>

> advaitin, slimaye@a... wrote:

> > Ovi 7

> > Even though they behold the universe of movables and immovables on

> their own

> > person, they do not permit themselves to be affected by the contact

> of the

> > third.

> > Note: although the universe is born to them, it has no separate

> exsistance

> > apart from them. It is part and parcel of their own

> bodyonly.Therefore,the

> > couple remains impervious to the activities of the universe.The

> ever changing

> > phenominon of the names and forms is like the ripples in the

> water.They may rise or

> > disappear but the water at the substratum remains calm and placid

> > Mr R,G Bhagwat states that this treatise explains as Sphuranvada.I

> think the

> > closest translation of Sphuran is Effulgence.Dyaneswara states,that

> the

> > ultimate description

> > of reality is sphurana.But he admits that describing is like

> drawing picture

> > of a fish on a surface of water.Even Moses could describe it as a

> blazing fire

> > . it is undescribable and still dyanashwara tries to explain.THis

> description

> > is so similar to the one in madukya upnishada,but, the poetic

> explanation

> > stays in the mind much more than a dry naration .

> > More of this treatise next time

>

>

>

>

> Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of

Atman and Brahman.

> Advaitin List Archives available at:

http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/

> To Post a message send an email to : advaitin

> Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

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Namaste Nirmalaji and Sunderji.

 

Kindly permit an addition to this thread.

 

Here is Sankara using the term sphuraNam in his DakshinAmUrthi

StOtram:

 

______________________

 

Verse 3:

 

Yasyaiva sphuranam sadaatmakamasat-

kalparthakam bhasate

Saakshaattattvamaseeti veda vachasaa

yo bodhayatyaasritaan;

Yatsaakshaakaranaadbhavenna punaraa-

vrittirbhavambhonidhau

Tasmai Sri gurumoortaye namah idam

Sri Dakshinaamoortaye.

 

He whose manifestations - which are themselves nothing but the

Reality - appear as the objects of the world; He, who imparts to

those who have surrendered to Him, direct englightenment, through the

Vedic commandment "That Thou Art", and after the direct experience of

which there is no more any return to the "ocean" of worldly

existence......to Him, the Divine Teacher, Sri Dakshinamoorthy, is

this Prostration.

 

(Transliteration and translation by PUjya ChinmayAnandaji)

___________________________

 

In this verse, the sphuraNa is idam-sphuraNa which is more

like 'spandana'. Idam-sphuraNA results in the jAnAmi (I know) of the

next verse and is in contrast with the ahaM-sphuraNa (anirvacanIyA

self-evidence)of Bh. RamaNa Maharshi. To put it differently, the

former cannot be without the latter. There is only sphuraNA -

Consciousness - whichever way one looks.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

___________________________

 

advaitin, "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh>

wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> In essence, it is 'anirvachanIya'! (inexpressible).

>

> Ramana Maharshi also states 'ahaM-sphuraNa' as something

that

> cannot be described (Talks with Maharshi). We cannot imagine what

> kind of 'spandana' can occur in the 'anAhata' OM sound!

>

> Bahirat quotes Yogavasishtha using both words -spanda and

> sphurana.

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advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair"

<madathilnair> wrote:

> Namaste Nirmalaji and Sunderji.

>

> Kindly permit an addition to this thread.

>

> Here is Sankara using the term sphuraNam in his DakshinAmUrthi

> StOtram:

>

> ______________________

>

> Verse 3:

>

 

 

Namaste,

 

In fact, in the very next verse he uses the word 'spandate'!

 

naanaachchhidraghaTodarasthitahaadiipaprabhaabhaasvaraM

GYaanaM yasya tu chakshuraadikaraNadvaaraa bahiH spandate .

jaanaamiiti tameva bhaantamanubhaatyetatsamastaM jagat.h

tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idaM shriidakshiNaamuurtaye .. 4..

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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Sunderji,

There is another mention by Adishakara in his morning prayers.

Pratah smarami hridhi samsphuradatmatatwam"

Meaning:I contemplate in the morning the atmatatwa which shining and

pulsating

Nirmala.

-

"Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh

<advaitin>

Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:55 PM

Re: Amrutanabhav 2

 

> advaitin, "Madathil Rajendran Nair"

> <madathilnair> wrote:

> > Namaste Nirmalaji and Sunderji.

> >

> > Kindly permit an addition to this thread.

> >

> > Here is Sankara using the term sphuraNam in his DakshinAmUrthi

> > StOtram:

> >

> > ______________________

> >

> > Verse 3:

> >

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> In fact, in the very next verse he uses the word 'spandate'!

>

> naanaachchhidraghaTodarasthitahaadiipaprabhaabhaasvaraM

> GYaanaM yasya tu chakshuraadikaraNadvaaraa bahiH spandate .

> jaanaamiiti tameva bhaantamanubhaatyetatsamastaM jagat.h

> tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idaM shriidakshiNaamuurtaye .. 4..

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunder

>

>

>

> Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of

Atman and Brahman.

> Advaitin List Archives available at:

http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/

> To Post a message send an email to : advaitin

> Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

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advaitin, "suresh Limaye" <slimaye@c...> wrote:

> There is another mention by Adishakara in his morning prayers.

> Pratah smarami hridhi samsphuradatmatatwam"

> Meaning:I contemplate in the morning the atmatatwa which shining and

> pulsating

 

Namaste,

 

Kshemaraja's commentary on Vasugupta's Spandakarika, (on the

Shiva Sutras),(transl. Jaideva Singh,(Motilal Banarsidas, 1994), p.

46 uses both spanda and sphurata in the same sentence!

 

".........sphurattasaare spandatattve sphurati......"

 

In the Introduction, JaidevaSingh quotes Abhinavagupta's

definition of 'spanda':

 

"Spandana means somewhat of movement. The characteristic

of 'somewhat' consists in the fact that even the immovable

appears 'as if moving', bevause though the light of consciousness

does not change in the least, yet it appears to be changing 'as it

were'. The immovable appears as if having a variety of manifestation."

 

"...It is the throb of the ecstasy of the Divine I-Consciousness

(vimarsha)..."

 

"..Spanda is only another name of Self-awareness or vimarsha..."

 

"....Vimarsha, parAshakti, svAtantrya, aishvarya, kartR^itva,

sphurattA, sAra, hR^idaya, spanda, are synonumous in Shaivagama..."

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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