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Namaste Chittaranji,

Excellent post on the brain. There

is a move against the idea that consciousness emerges

as complexity increases. Chalmers inclines

towards that countervailing tendency as does

Rosenberg. Essays are to be found on Chalmer's

consciousness site under the panpsychist heading. The

core

intuition would be that consciousness is not the sort

of thing that could emerge or evolve. In broad

advaitic terms everything is pervaded by

consciousness as its constituitive reality. It is

non-different from consciousness and therefore knows

itself. However this knowledge is not reflexive, it

does not know that it knows itself. This is the

'sat' stage. The pressure to express its nature is

the mainspring of evolution and it gives rise to

increased complexity. As to what the precise

mechanism that allows the self-aware consciousness to

pass over to the reflexively self-aware consciousness

is could be debated for a long time. Prepare to trace

the anfractuosities of the bicameral brain, language

developement, short-term memory etc. Suffice to

say that at a certain point the human begins to talk

into his own ear - the 'cit' stage. The next stage

is to trace consciousness back to its source -

 

efflorescent ananda.

 

The brain/mind is the material cause of human

consciousness but Consciousness is the constituitive

reality of all this. It is non-dual and is not

evident

due to superimposition. You say: "Thus, it would be

true to say that something in the world is a cause of

another only in so far as this is the manner of

ordering the world, and not because the cause is

something intrinsic in the object." This is a deep

saying and no doubt we will return to these issues in

the future.

 

Best Wishes, Michael.

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Namaste Michael,

 

I could follow you perfectly till you came to this passage in your last message:

 

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The brain/mind is the material cause of human

consciousness but Consciousness is the constituitive

reality of all this.

Unquote

 

1. I understand material cause as the stuff of which a thing is made. How can

the stuff of consciousness be Brain/ Mind?

 

2. If Brain/mind are the stuff of consciousness and consciousness is the

constitutuve reality of all this - If 'all this' includes Brain/Mind as well,

then there is a problem of circularity.

 

I am aware that your messages are very deep and once in a way, atleast I tend to

get lost in them. But usually after some reflection I have been able to

extricate myself. Not so on this occassion. Please help.

 

Regards,

Venkat - M

 

 

 

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Namaste Benji.

 

I know that ancient flying machines are off topic here. Yet, there

is this irresistible urge to continue.

 

A technological base starting from screwdrivers is our current

demand. But, how about an Erich von Daniken scenario - although he

has been accused of scientific charlatanism? What Dr. Gopalakrishnan

presents (By the way, he is Honorary Director. Sorry my abbreviation

confused you to reading it Honourable, an adjective we normally

reserve for less knowledgeable Ministers.)are well-framed equations

in the form of easily recallable Sanskrit verses.

 

Appreciate your good words about my alleged eloquence.

 

PraNAms.

 

Madathil Nair

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advaitin, Benjamin <orion777ben> wrote:

>

> I will check out the Honorable Dr. Gopalakrishnan, but at this

moment

> I still retain doubts about Vedic flying machines! It seems to me

> you need an immense technology base, built up over generations,

which

> starts with screwdrivers.

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Namaste Nairji

>I know that ancient flying machines are off topic here.

>Yet, there is this irresistible urge to continue.

 

 

I think consciousness is the ultimate flying machine! :-)

 

 

But I will take a look at your sites. I am sure there are many

misunderstandings about ancient Indian civilization. After all, if I

remember correctly, Mohenjodaro had plumbing many thousands of years

ago, which is rather impressive.

 

Anyhow, on the topic of technology and spirituality, I have an

opinion which you may find somewhat interesting and amusing. I

believe there must be pure worlds with highly spiritual inhabitants

(waiting for complete moksha to the utterly formless). Now can you

imagine these pure worlds filled with cars, asphalt, factories,

garbage cans, etc. Or the people wearing business suits or watching

mindless television? I cannot. This may sound silly, but in my

opinion the people in these pure worlds must be wearing long robes

and living a simple life close to nature, with plenty of meditation

and satsanghs. Of course, they have plenty of fruit trees to provide

dinner and crystal streams to bathe in. Everywhere is a tropical

paradise. And there are not too many people. The point is that

technology seems ugly and 'unspiritual' to me.

 

At an even more philosophical level, I wonder whether any kind of a

body, no matter how illusory, is also ugly and impure. Are not the

insides of our bodies impure and disgusting? Shankara seems to think

so; you will find the quote in Vivekachudamani. So do angels have

bodies made of light? I wonder about these things sometime.

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

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