What Vedas Are Not

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advaitin, "mohanirmala" <mohanirmala>

wrote:

> Pranams Naikji,

> Thanks for a very detailed clarification ...

>

> How are we to deal with modern man and his questioning ,

> particularly in respect of the Vedic mantras? Could it be that with

> our adherence to the methodology prescribed we create faith in

> others?

 

Namaste,

 

The prescription is simple: Humility!

 

Spirtual giants of all ages cry out:

 

 

tadviddhi praNipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa .

upadekShyanti te GYaanaM GYaaninastattvadarshinaH .. 4\-34.. Gita

 

 

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The Taittiriya Upanishad

 

Translated by Alladi Mahadeva Sastry

 

Book 1

 

LESSON 11

 

1. Having taught the Veda, the teacher then exhorts the pupil.

 

2. Speak the true. Follow Dharma.

 

3. From study swerve thou not.

 

5. What works are free from fault, they should be resorted to, not

others.

 

6. What are good works of ours, they should be done, not others.

 

7. Whatever brahmanas are better than ourselves, in their sitting it

will not do for thee to breathe.

 

9. Now if to thee a doubt as to a deed, or a doubt as to conduct,

should occur, as the brahmanas there -- who are thoughtful, zealous,

well-versed, not hard (at heart), desirous of Dharma -- would act in

such matters, so there shalt thou act.

 

10. Now as to the accused: as the brahmanas there -- who are

thoughtful, zealous, well-versed, not hard (at heart), desirous of

Dharma -- would act in such matters, so there shalt thou act.

 

11. This is the direction; this the advice; this the secret of Vedas;

this the command; thus shall devotion be, and thus verily (all) this

shalt thou observe.

 

Listening to the chanting in Sanskrit of this part is sublime!

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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All words have relative meanings. Everything even the knowledge and Upasana

(worship) are words. Only absolute reality is the aliveness here and now. There

is no relative meaning to aliveness to express in words. Everything is a

perception or a direction to a perception. Aliveness is an absolute witnessing

with no doership, no Iness or myness. Words happen, thoughts flow, lambs get

slaughtered, mind thinks of words yet nothing is real that appears simply

because

of senses and interpretations. Words in Vedas are there but their meanings

become unreal as soon as senses are engaged to derive words to express them.

Words in Vedas are like knowing what the needle may look like before we begin

searching in the haystack.

Life exists in now where mind does not function. The mind does not know what

the real life is. What we see, hear, touch, smell, taste are perceived to be

true yet they are not. Our false self is stuck to what the mind thinks.We are

stuck to this greyhound bus of perceptions. We can not even stop thinking even

if we want to stop. The want itself is the transparent hindrance to know the

reality. Just be whatever it may mean and enjjjjoy every moment of the

aliveness. Accept it as is . There is nothing the doership or personal opinion

could

contribute to change the reality. Even this email could not remain

non-existent. These words may mean different things to the reader.

Let more emails be written, and let words flow. Accept them as they are in

silence.

 

 

 

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Namaste Shri Guru Venkat Ji

 

First and foremost my sincere apologies if I hurt your feelings. I

ask everybody to forgive me if they think I am expecting them to

accept the opinions of mine. When I am posting something to this

group I know I am not really fit for this.

 

But the only thing made me to worry is that if every one of us

questions the sanctity of Vedas what will happen to our forthcoming

generations. Thats it. As many respected members posted here they

are heard by our Rishis. No doubt you have such kind of knowledge to

point out Vedas, but I am worried if it continues what will happen

later. Can we give our Vedas to our next generation on "as is

basis"?

 

Sir, for your kind information I am also strict vegetarian.

Personally I am very much against to non-vegetarianism. We dont take

even eggs too. But Vedas are our Pramanas. As one resepcted member

said here those portions are not for us. They are for thos people

who do such kind of Yagnas. Unless and until we know their inner

meaning I am no body to pass a comment saying that it is very cruel.

 

As the other respected member said how many people are leaving the

habit of taking non-veg. As Manu ordered Brahmins are not supposed

to take non-veg and they are supposed to take only Saatvik Ahar.

Kshatriyas must take non-veg. But in today's world there are so many

brahmins who are takin non-veg and kshatriyas who dont take non-veg.

I believe they must be having really some sense behind animal

sacrifice. For that matter, Shastras say, one must believe.

 

In today's world nobody can force anybody to accept or make believe.

In this Kaliyuga we doubt everybody and everything. No body is

exception to this.

 

As far as I am concerned I have staunch belief in Vedas whatever thy

prescribe and whatever they injunct. At the same time I thank all

members for giving me a chance to express my opinions.

 

Shri Guru Venkatji, once again my apologies to you if I offended

without my knowledge.

 

My humble pranams to all,

 

Vasu

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Namaste Vasuji,

Sir,please don't apologize. I am in no way hurt. If we feel delicate and highly

sensitive about everybody we cannot have a open conversation of these topics.

why ?

all these topics are ruthless. Katha Upanishad starts with death itself as the

teacher!

If a newbie to these topics just turns the few pages he would be horrified at

how a person can talk so camly about their own death and destruction !! we must

not baulk away from this. If we do, we are just deluding ourselves more into

things unreal.

why do we all stay with these discussions ? Because there is no other way. only

the inquisitive mind can go across this cycle of samsara. Either that, or we

should trust God implicitly and leave it to him to take care of this life. I

would say that we should really be happy that we are on these topics. maybe this

is the result of all the yagnas that we did ?? :-)

And we all have a secret name ? do you know what it is ? It's ' Veda ' . This is

mentioned in Brhadaranyaka Up. 6.4.26 . I just came across this incidentally

when I was trying to find a quote on this Upanishad. And it means ' knowledge '

.. so you see, man is essence only knowledge. It is this knowledge when

cultivated gets to free us. ( I know advaitic arguments will start here to say ,

free us from what in the first place... and all that. but let's not get into

that )

 

and please don't say that I am knowledgeable in the vedas. I am far from it. And

I even used to eat meat until some time back when I stumbled on all this. so you

are a much better human being than me. Neither do I know sanskrit to quote

authoritatively about these topics. I just go by what common sense, reason and

accountability tells me.

 

Best Regards

Guruprasad

 

vasu145 <vasu145 wrote:

Namaste Shri Guru Venkat Ji

 

First and foremost my sincere apologies if I hurt your feelings. I

ask everybody to forgive me if they think I am expecting them to

accept the opinions of mine. When I am posting something to this

group I know I am not really fit for this.

 

But the only thing made me to worry is that if every one of us

questions the sanctity of Vedas what will happen to our forthcoming

generations. Thats it. As many respected members posted here they

are heard by our Rishis. No doubt you have such kind of knowledge to

point out Vedas, but I am worried if it continues what will happen

later. Can we give our Vedas to our next generation on "as is

basis"?

 

Sir, for your kind information I am also strict vegetarian.

Personally I am very much against to non-vegetarianism. We dont take

even eggs too. But Vedas are our Pramanas. As one resepcted member

said here those portions are not for us. They are for thos people

who do such kind of Yagnas. Unless and until we know their inner

meaning I am no body to pass a comment saying that it is very cruel.

 

As the other respected member said how many people are leaving the

habit of taking non-veg. As Manu ordered Brahmins are not supposed

to take non-veg and they are supposed to take only Saatvik Ahar.

Kshatriyas must take non-veg. But in today's world there are so many

brahmins who are takin non-veg and kshatriyas who dont take non-veg.

I believe they must be having really some sense behind animal

sacrifice. For that matter, Shastras say, one must believe.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sri Guru Venkatji,

To say the least I am moved by your discussions!

I pray that in this lifetime the Truth will be revealed to you !

 

The most important thing is to have faith ...in yourself ..in Your Self ! have

faith that the Truth which is your own Self, will reveal Itself !

Curiosity is 'Mumukshatvam" , ie, the urge to learn the Truth. But one has to be

wary about the intellect and its analytical capabilities. It may have the

tendency to confuse itself sometimes. So keep cool..have faith in yourself

...that the Truth is there..and will reveal itself!

Meanwhile look at all learning impartially, with a sense of detachment, and give

your mind a chance to sort out and sift out the principles, concepts and facts

that unfold themselves.

God Bless!

Warm regards and pranams

Mohan

 

Guru Venkat <v_vedanti wrote:

Namaste Vasuji,

Sir,please don't apologize. I am in no way hurt. If we feel delicate and highly

sensitive about everybody we cannot have a open conversation of these topics.

why ?

all these topics are ruthless. Katha Upanishad starts with death itself as the

teacher!

If a newbie to these topics just turns the few pages he would be horrified at

how a person can talk so camly about their own death and destruction !! we must

not baulk away from this. If we do, we are just deluding ourselves more into

things unreal.

why do we all stay with these discussions ? Because there is no other way. only

the inquisitive mind can go across this cycle of samsara. Either that, or we

should trust God implicitly and leave it to him to take care of this life. I

would say that we should really be happy that we are on these topics. maybe this

is the result of all the yagnas that we did ?? :-)

And we all have a secret name ? do you know what it is ? It's ' Veda ' . This is

mentioned in Brhadaranyaka Up. 6.4.26 . I just came across this incidentally

when I was trying to find a quote on this Upanishad. And it means ' knowledge '

.. so you see, man is essence only knowledge. It is this knowledge when

cultivated gets to free us. ( I know advaitic arguments will start here to say ,

free us from what in the first place... and all that. but let's not get into

that )

 

and please don't say that I am knowledgeable in the vedas. I am far from it. And

I even used to eat meat until some time back when I stumbled on all this. so you

are a much better human being than me. Neither do I know sanskrit to quote

authoritatively about these topics. I just go by what common sense, reason and

accountability tells me.

 

Best Regards

Guruprasad

 

vasu145 <vasu145 wrote:

Namaste Shri Guru Venkat Ji

 

First and foremost my sincere apologies if I hurt your feelings. I

ask everybody to forgive me if they think I am expecting them to

accept the opinions of mine. When I am posting something to this

group I know I am not really fit for this.

 

But the only thing made me to worry is that if every one of us

questions the sanctity of Vedas what will happen to our forthcoming

generations. Thats it. As many respected members posted here they

are heard by our Rishis. No doubt you have such kind of knowledge to

point out Vedas, but I am worried if it continues what will happen

later. Can we give our Vedas to our next generation on "as is

basis"?

 

Sir, for your kind information I am also strict vegetarian.

Personally I am very much against to non-vegetarianism. We dont take

even eggs too. But Vedas are our Pramanas. As one resepcted member

said here those portions are not for us. They are for thos people

who do such kind of Yagnas. Unless and until we know their inner

meaning I am no body to pass a comment saying that it is very cruel.

 

As the other respected member said how many people are leaving the

habit of taking non-veg. As Manu ordered Brahmins are not supposed

to take non-veg and they are supposed to take only Saatvik Ahar.

Kshatriyas must take non-veg. But in today's world there are so many

brahmins who are takin non-veg and kshatriyas who dont take non-veg.

I believe they must be having really some sense behind animal

sacrifice. For that matter, Shastras say, one must believe.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Guru Venkatji,

 

My profound namskarams to you and everybody in this group.

 

Thanks for understanding me and forgiving my ignorance.

 

"only theinquisitive mind can go across this cycle of Samsara. Either

that, or we should trust God implicitly and leave it to him to take

care of this life." You really said well these sentences. To know

what is there after life, these are the only two options. Either to

surrender to Jnana Yoga or to surrender to Bhakti Yoga.

 

Vegetarianism is the best habbit. I believe this. But again the

same point arises it the field where you are living as per

Dharmashastra. If you are Kshatriya or if you are in Army you should

not keep away from non-veg. That's why I believe Vedic division of

labour. It has given equal value to everybody. We should understand

this particularly.

 

Why today so much of unemployment? Because we lost vedic way of

life. Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vysyas and Shudras everybody is trying

for jobs. When every body tries for one thing, what happened, there

is competition and unemployment. We are looking at the families

where wife and husband works, they dont have any mental rest or they

dont have proper affection from their kids. I am sorry to comment

like this. But it is the situation in the present day world.

 

Before the dicussion distracts I would like to stop. But this group

is really a good learning process.

 

My humble pranams to everybody.

 

Sarve: Jana: Sukhinobhavantu.

Loka:samasta: Sukhinobhavantu

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Namaste Sameerji,

 

Thank you for your message. While I am not fortunate enough to have

the experience of kundalini awakening, still the heart has a special

place in my sadhana (such as it is). The Heart has a special

significance in the Upanishads and I am told that the Heart is very

central in the Advaita of Kashmir Shaivism.

 

With regards,

Chittaranjan

 

 

advaitin, SAMEER CHOUDHARY <blitzsameer>

wrote:

> chittaranjanji...namaste..

>

> U said.."The Vedas come down to us from the Vedic seers that heard

them in the

> Heart of Being. "

> I agree with you fully.

> This is one experiences that many of the spiritual aspirants wud

have had.That is when u meditate...the kundli awakens and when it

reaches the anahat chakra in the heart people do hear the

AKAASHWANI...or the divine voice..certainly it is apaurashya.

>

> > Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik> wrote:

> > Namaste Mohanji,

>

> List Moderator Note: Lengthy previous messages expunged.

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sri guruprasad,

the five indriyaas etc constitute the

seven horses.

destruction of these negative vaasanas

using the "jnaana khadga "[the sword of

knowledge],and gaining control over the senses is the

horse scarifice.

similarly, the sacrifice of cow, and

other "animals " all have totally different meanings

than what is literally perceived!

every sanskrit word has scores of

meanings, and our rishies have played the most

wonderful games with compositions using this

indescribably beautiful language. we are all MAHA MAHA

paapies not hAving learnt them, and having allowed

it become a "dead" language.

a.v.krshnan.

 

 

 

dear --- kuntimaddi sadananda

<kuntimaddisada wrote: > Shree Guruprasad,

>

> To add further on Prof. VK comments, BRihadaaranyaka

> Upanishad starts

> with the horse sacrifice. If you follow the

> commentary and discussion

> that followed both in the Upanishad and the Shankara

> Bhashya the

> symbolic aspect of it becomes evident. Ignoring

> the karma kaanDa part,

> the j~naana kaanDa part of Veda-s uses mystical

> language to communicate

> that which cannot otherwise be communicated.

>

> Hari OM!

> Sadananda

>

>

> --- "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote:

> > advaitin, Guru Venkat

> <v_vedanti> wrote:

> > > Namaste Krishnamurthyji,

> > > while on on the topic of vedas, what do you

> think about the animal

> > sacrifices that are mentioned ( horse sacrifices

> etc. ). Doesn't it

> > sound like cruelty ? Do these sacrifices have a

> different meaning or

> > are they actual sacrifice of creatures ?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Guruprasad

> > >

>

>

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endaro mahaanubhavulu,

 

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT ALMOST 90% OF ALL SANSKRIT WORKS

HAVE BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROYED WITH UTMOST

VENGEANCE.

WHAT SURVIVES IS PRECIOUS LITTLE.

WHAT WONDERS HAVE WE LOST????

A.V.KRSHNAN.

 

 

 

 

 

--- Tony OClery <aoclery wrote: > --- In

advaitin, "V. KrishnamurthyIf

>

> > incidentally the Vedas also bring some knowledge

> about mundane

> > matters like a geometrical theorem through their

> Sulva-sutras or a

> > miracle cure for some yet unknown disease or a

> host of Vedic

> > shortcuts for mechanical and arithmetical

> calculation -- well,

> these

> > are only incidental; they do not imply that all of

> modern Science

> > was in the knowledge of the ancients!

> >

> > PraNAms to all advaitins

> > profvk

> > .

>

> Namaste profvk,

>

> Yes you are right with regard to the Vedas,

> essentially anyway.

> However the Puranas are another thing altogether,

> and they indicate

> a grasp and use of scientific knowledge surpassing

> that which we

> know today. Occasionally we get a glimpse, when a

> skeleton is found

> in a coal seam or a machine tooled screw from a

> level millions of

> years ago etc etc, or skeletons 12ft tall are found

> at Tiahuanaco or

> other places etc. The Ramayana and Mahabharata seem

> to indicate a

> level of science not realised by many, and a world

> that doesn't

> exist today, or rather beings that don't.

> IMO We have to be careful that modern egotism about

> scientific

> achievment, and a belief that it is all done by the

> modern age for

> the first time. As Jesus said, there is nothing new

> under the sun.

> It would teach some humility to the fixed minds of

> many, if they

> really knew how old some archeological sites are, or

> that much has

> been achieved prior to this age.

> Perhaps it would even teach some the futility of

> ignoring the Inner

> when the outer is much repeated and hoary with

> age.......ONS..>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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