Meaning of Happiness - Part I

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--- "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani wrote:

>When asked what was

> the problem now, the boy replied, “I know I am not a

> cat, but do the dogs in the street also know that”.

 

Many, Many Thanks. I am (me is) a grumpy old man and

this has set me giggling happily into the afternoon of

book reading (NB. to those of you interested in

language. try to get hold of 'Indian Semantic

Analysis: the nirvacana tradition.' by Eivind Kahrs,

recently published by CUP. It is giving hours of

valuable reading although I feel that he is too

one-dimensional on Yaska).

Back to Sunderji's sub-thread on food:

'He who knows the food of the vital force as above

never has to to eat or to accept anything that should

not be eaten.'

Br.Up 6.1.14

 

Back to happiness.

Maybe it is appropriate here to give an illustration

from archives of spiritual experiences of people who

did not have any particular philosophical or religious

training. Something happened to them quite suddenly. I

do not want to get into a discussion of such accounts

here but the teaching of pratibha is relevant.

The subsequent formulation into words and sentences

inevitably clouds the initial 'event' but the

following rings true as an example of noetic

happiness. The dualistic description did not stand up

to examination in a subsequent face-to-face interview

and the writer had no real sense of an 'inside' or an

'outside' as part of account implies:

‘During the night I awoke and looking out of the

window, saw what I took to be a luminous star, which

gradually came nearer, and appeared as a soft,

slightly blurred light. I was seized by a violent

trembling but had no fear. I knew that what I felt

was great awe. This was followed by a sense of

overwhelming love coming to me, and going out from me,

then of great compassion from this outer Presence.

After that I had a sense of overpowering peace, and

indescribable happiness…………..’ I awoke in the morning

with a feeling of having been transformed, and in the

days that followed, I had a much clearer sense of my

identity, saw people more clearly and things in a

different way. Certainty about what I must do at that

juncture of my life suddenly came to me.'

 

Happy studying

 

ken Knight

 

 

 

 

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One boy felt he was a cat and he remained inside his room all the time. His

parents got worried and since they could not put him right, he was taken to

a psychiatrist, who after a lot of effort, convinced the boy that he was

not a cat, but very much a human being, like any other boy. Somehow, the

boy felt satisfied and left. However, after a while, the boy came again to

see the psychiatrist and complained that he was still afraid of coming out

of his room although he knew he was a boy. When asked what was the problem

now, the boy replied, "I know I am not a cat, but do the dogs in the street

also know that".

 

praNAms, Hare Krishna

 

The above story of Mani prabhuji, reminds me one funny story read in some

book about Mulla Nasuriddin, once, he in a mischievous mood, came up to

the playing boys and told them that the king was preparing luxury feast,

and he has invited all the children to partake in it . The kids being

assured by his words of the feast, rushed to the palace, but there was no

such thing at all over there. The children were baffled; after a while,

they settled down & started laughing, and the children asked mullah, "How

is it mullahji. that you too came all the way with us when you knew that

this is concocted story?" He hesitatingly murmured, "if there be a real

feast, if that story be true then I'd have missed it"!! Exactly, for this

reason, he did not want to miss it, he also followed the boys without

taking any chance!! Exactly the same is the case with us, by our figment

of imagination, by our own ajnAna, we, see happiness where it is not

there, by holding every mundane thing close to our chest thinking it would

give us ever lasting happiness. There is no happiness in objects, hence

there is no plural word to happiness as Sri Madathil Nair prabhuji said, it

is singular & its intensity is same in everything.

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

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advaitin, bhaskar.yr@i... wrote:

> There is no happiness in objects, hence there is no plural word to

> happiness as Sri Madathil Nair prabhuji said, it is singular & its

> intensity is same in everything.

 

Namaste,

 

If the word 'Happiness' is equated with 'Ananda-svarUpa', then

only one can ignore its other shades of meaning.

 

The Vedantic primer, Tattvabodha, distinguishes these shades:

 

priya - the pleasure of thinking about a desired object;

 

moda - that experienced when the object is possessed;

 

pramoda - that of indulgence after possessing the object.

 

sukha - that experienced in deep sleep (anandamaya kosha)

 

 

 

Patanjali Yogasutras, 1:17, and 2:42, respectively describe

the 'Ananda' of samprajnata samadhi (in total Satvika state), and

uninterrupted 'santoSha' (contentment in any state).

 

Taittiriya 2:8:1 give the classic 'calculus' of 'Ananda'.

 

Brihadaranyaka 2:5:1, Madhu Vidya, describes the 'Delight' of

manifestation.

 

Hopefully, Dennis-ji's explorations may provide an opportunity

to refer to these aspects.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

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--- Sunder Hattangadi <sunderh wrote:

> If the word 'Happiness' is equated with

> 'Ananda-svarUpa', then

> only one can ignore its other shades of meaning.

>

> Brihadaranyaka 2:5:1, Madhu Vidya, describes

> the 'Delight' of

> manifestation.

 

 

Ah Sunderji, with the Br.Up. in mind, now we are

leaving our separation from the 'singular' and sharing

the insight of our Vedic ancestor who wrote of such

sweetness that he realised its 'madh' with 'svAd'.

This morning the Br.Up.(6.2.1) told us that 'He who

knows the food of the vital force as above never has

to eat or to accept anything that should not be

eaten.' May I now link yours from above with this and

the following?

 

 

RgVeda 164

'20. Two Birds with fair wings, knit with bonds of

friendship, in the same sheltering tree have found a

refuge.

One of the twain eats the sweet Fig-tree's fruitage;

the other eating not regardeth only.

21 Where those fine Birds hymn ceaselessly their

portion of life eternal, and the sacred synods,

There is the Universe's mighty Keeper, who, wise, hath

entered into me the simple.

22 The, tree whereon the fine Birds eat the sweetness,

where they all rest and procreate their offspring,-

Upon its top they say the fig is luscious none gaineth

it who knoweth not the Father.'

 

dvA suparNA sayujA sakhAyA samAnaM vRkSaM pari

SasvajAte |

tayoranyaH pippalaM svAdvattyanashnannanyo abhi

cAkashIti ||

yatrA suparNA amRtasya bhAgamanimeSaM

vidathAbhisvaranti|

ino vishvasya bhuvanasya gopAH sa mA dhIraH pAkamatrA

vivesha ||

yasmin vRkSe madhvadaH suparNA nivishante suvate cAdhi

vishve |

tasyedAhuH pippalaM svAdvagre tan non nashad

yaHpitaraM na veda ||

 

 

 

Oh the joy of the revealing words of our scriptures

(sruti). They fill me with such happiness that I want

............want nothing other than to live in their

company.

 

Time to close down for the night, enjoy the sun those

of you still in daylight,

 

ken Knight

 

 

 

 

 

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If the word 'Happiness' is equated with 'Ananda-svarUpa', then

only one can ignore its other shades of meaning.

 

 

The Vedantic primer, Tattvabodha, distinguishes these shades:

 

priya - the pleasure of thinking about a desired object;

 

moda - that experienced when the object is possessed;

 

pramoda - that of indulgence after possessing the object.

 

sukha - that experienced in deep sleep (anandamaya kosha)

 

praNAm Sri Sunder prabhuji

Hare Krishna

 

What you said above is absolutely right prabhuji. what you've quoted above

is mere *shades* of happiness not happiness itself. It is our own self

which in turn, Ananda svarUpa shining through in all these multifarious

shades of happiness. Just like sunlight due to travelling shines some

objects sometime. But all these different places/objects where the Sunshine

is seen are not the source, the ultimate source of sunshine must be

somewhere else, the adhistAna of Sunshine is the Sun himself. Like that our

own ananda svarUpa (happiness) which goes on travelling from one object to

another like the Sunshine, but unfortunately we think due to ajnAna that

sunshine is inherent in everything. The source is within, anything outside

of it is mere shades. Krishna says in BG, na prahrushyEt priyam prApya,

nadvijEtprApyachApriyam, dhukeshu anudvigna manaH sukeshu vigata spruhaH,

sukha dhuke same krutva, prasAde sarva dhukhAnAm etc.etc. since all these

dvandva-s are not really pertain to us. Our swarUpa is one & only i.e.

Ananda svarUpa. shruti also says AnandaM brahmaNo vidvAn. one should

realise AnandaM is brahma.

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar