Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Namaste I would appreciate receiving suggestions as to possible improvements of the following chart on advaitic cosmology: (Maybe 'cosmology' is not the word): http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html praNAms to all advaitins profvk Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari : http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Namaste Professor, The picture looks good. I was trying to find on the Internet a small powerpoint presentation by Dr Bansi Pandit, but couldn't. It had some pictorial perspectives almost like the one you have drawn In a related matter, I am wondering if you have come across a book my Prof Stanley Sobottka at the Univ of Virginia. He has written an excellent book on Consciousness which can be found at http//faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness. Starting from the various philosophical schools, and going through quantum mechanics, relativity, non-locality he winds up in Advaita Vedanta. One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or Adi Shankaracharya? .. advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > Namaste > > I would appreciate receiving suggestions ....> http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html > > praNAms to all advaitins > profvk > > > Prof. V. Krishnamurthy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Namaste Parameswaranji, advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" <siva6635> wrote: > One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or > Adi Shankaracharya? Adi Shankaracharya. Pranams, Chittaranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Namaste SrI Krishnamurthy gaaru, The chart is good Sir, but it gives me the impression that parA- shakti is associated with nirguNa brahman. As far as my limited knowledge goes, Sakti is associated with ISwara. Your chart also gives me the impression that the Shakti "becomes" jIva and ISwara, while as far as I know it, the Atman itself "becomes"(in whatever sense) both jIva and ISwara. Your chart further leaves out avidya and mAya from the main equation - a point which I am not able to understand. One suggestion from my side. Let there be a dotted line between Atman and anything else which is "related" to the Atman, so that the relation is known to be false. Regards Raghavendra advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk> wrote: > Namaste > > I would appreciate receiving suggestions as to possible improvements of the following chart on advaitic cosmology: (Maybe 'cosmology' is not the word): > > http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html > > praNAms to all advaitins > profvk > > > Prof. V. Krishnamurthy > My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ > You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. > Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari : > http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Namaste SrI Siva gaaru, > One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or > Adi Shankaracharya? Einstein understood the universe better but Sankaracharya understood that which is beyond the universe. The latter form of understanding would make the former unnecessary. I am also skeptical of any attempts to relate advaita-vedAnta to quantum mechanics etc. How can we understand the Atman by looking at the objective world? How can the nirguNa Atman possibly be comprehended by the Laws of Physics? Regards Raghavendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 NAMASKAARAMS. the science of the mind is the ultimate science. the eastern scientists [rishis] have delved into it and given humanity infinite outputs. they have indeed mastered it to its limits. the west has begun to scratch at tip of the surface of this iceberg. a.v.krshan. --- Chittaranjan Naik <chittaranjan_naik wrote: > Namaste Parameswaranji, > > > advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" > <siva6635> > wrote: > > > One wonders who understood the Universe better - > Albert Einstein or > > Adi Shankaracharya? > > Adi Shankaracharya. > > Pranams, > Chittaranjan > > > _________ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2004 Report Share Posted March 6, 2004 Parameswaranji: "One wonders who understood the Universe better - Albert Einstein or Adi Shankaracharya?" Chittaranjanji: "Adi Shankaracharya" Correct answer: "What universe?" :-) Hari Om! Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Namaste Prof. Krishnamurthyji. You indeed took up a very difficult and daunting task in charting the anirvacanIya! A different idea strikes me. Here are my thoughts if they are of any worth: Cosmology is a science or theory of the universe. Thus, advaitic cosmology is expected to explain how this universe becomes manifest as per advaita. Manifest to whom? To me. Isn't it then better that the starting point be "I" from where the `process' begins? What is the end-point then? That again would be the starting point "I" on the strength of the mahAvAkyAs `tat tvam asi', `thou art that' and `aham brahmAsmi'. The chart would thus be circular (cyclic) and the whole `process' (inclusive of adhyAsA, the experienced universe, etc.) from "I" back to "I" nothing but an error (miTyA). One face of the "I" is the limited jIvA. The other – the limitless, all encompassing yet attributeless Brahman we describe as sat-chit- Ananda. The projected universe begins and subsides there. Looks like this is what has already been accomplished in the Sri Chakra! The bindu is me. All the rest of the miTyA are then to be appropriately assigned to the AvaranAs. PraNAms. Madathil Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Namaste Sri Krishnamurthyji, here are my thoughts on the chart : 1) we have Ishwara under a tiny fragment under Shakthi. Isn't Ishwara above and he himself supposedly the weilder of Maya / Shakthi ? At least, that's what I thought Krishna says in the Gita. 2) Everything is shown to be coming from Nirguna Brahman far above. But is this the real implied meaning here ? Everything is a transformation of Brahman. Can we ever capture this.. ? Maybe a whole from which subsets are formed. But if you really think , there is no possible relationship between Maya and Brahman. If we know, we can explain the universe away, can't we ? just wondering how you can ever capture it in a picture . Regards Guruprasad "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: Namaste I would appreciate receiving suggestions as to possible improvements of the following chart on advaitic cosmology: (Maybe 'cosmology' is not the word): http://www.geocities.com/profvk/LHGWchart1.html praNAms to all advaitins profvk Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Also see the webpages on Paramacharya's Soundaryalahari : http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/DPDS.html Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages Sponsor Click Here advaitin/ advaitin Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" <siva6635> wrote: > > Namaste Professor, > > The picture looks good. I was trying to find on the Internet a small > powerpoint presentation by Dr Bansi Pandit, but couldn't. It had > some pictorial perspectives almost like the one you have drawn > > In a related matter, I am wondering if you have come across a book my > Prof Stanley Sobottka at the Univ of Virginia. He has written an > excellent book on Consciousness which can be found at > http//faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness. > > Starting from the various philosophical schools, and going through > quantum mechanics, relativity, non-locality he winds up in Advaita > Vedanta. Namaste, I am not able to locate any book of the type you mention under the web address you have quoted. Can you help? PKraNAms to all advaitins profvk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 you need a ' colon, : ' after the http... here is the web address : http://faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness/ I am able to load it in my machine. Regards Guruprasad "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk wrote: advaitin, "C.C.Parameswaran" <siva6635> wrote: > > Namaste Professor, > > The picture looks good. I was trying to find on the Internet a small > powerpoint presentation by Dr Bansi Pandit, but couldn't. It had > some pictorial perspectives almost like the one you have drawn > > In a related matter, I am wondering if you have come across a book my > Prof Stanley Sobottka at the Univ of Virginia. He has written an > excellent book on Consciousness which can be found at > http//faculty.virginia.edu/consciousness. > > Starting from the various philosophical schools, and going through > quantum mechanics, relativity, non-locality he winds up in Advaita > Vedanta. Namaste, I am not able to locate any book of the type you mention under the web address you have quoted. Can you help? Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Namaste Sri Guruprasad: First, let me assure ProfVK used to be teaching mathematics and infinite algebra and a tiny frament of 'infinity' is also infinity! Also, please note that quite a few framework of thoughts can explain the Advaitic Cosmology and ProfVK has tried to consolidate several of them in the chart. The task is quite complex and he tried his level best to explain inside the boxes. If he tries to explain with more details, the chart will run into several pages which will likely bring more questions. The BMI chart of Swami Chinmayananda is quite simple and illustrate the path to liberation very elegantly. Refer to the following article in the list for more explanations: (http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m301.html) However, a simplified chart may not provide all the details and ProfVK's chart tries to fill this gap. Let me take this opportunity to provide my suggestions to ProfVK: Make two different charts: (1) Parameswara/Parasakti/Manifestation/ Arthanareeswar cosmology (2) Brahman/Maya/Iswara/Jiva/Karma/Liberation Advaita Cosmology Then how explain how they can be brought under a uniform framework and provide all necessary assumptions and caveats. I hope that this helps, Warmest regards, Ram Chandran advaitin, Guru Venkat <v_vedanti> wrote: > Namaste Sri Krishnamurthyji, > here are my thoughts on the chart : > > 1) we have Ishwara under a tiny fragment under Shakthi. Isn't Ishwara above and he himself supposedly the weilder of Maya / Shakthi ? At least, that's what I thought Krishna says in the Gita. > 2) Everything is shown to be coming from Nirguna Brahman far above. But is this the real implied meaning here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Namaste Ramachandranji, Many thanks for referring us to Sadaji'd post on Causal Body. It's an absolute classic. Till I read the message I did not even know that I did not understand causal body as well as I should. Towards the end of the message Sadaji says: "Some time back I had article on who is the deep sleeper I, may be one can download from the files if one is interested - it analyzes the anirvachaniiyam aspect. In the past, there were several interesting discussions on that topic on advaita list." Could you please let me have the reference of the article Sadaji mentions about. Many thanks once again. pranams, Venkat - M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Namaste: I suggest the following discussions of Sadaji for those interested which contain the discussions. In addition, I also suggest members to read the Advaita Manjari part 5 published couple of months back. The contains over 20 thousand discussions and interested members should be able to go back and read the earlier discussions. Those interested should go to the http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin site and at Search the Advaitin list: ype any key word, for example "anirvachaniiyam" and click search. You will get a large list of discussions that contain the key word. This is the best way of novice members to get some fundamentals. Warmest regards, Ram Chandran Key Articles by Sadaji on mandukya karika, deep sleeper and anirvachaniiyam: ===================================================== http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m10220.html http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m9280.html http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m8286.html http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m725.html http://www.escribe.com/religion/advaita/m709.html http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m8385.html http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m8071.html http://www.escribe.com/culture/advaitin/m6329.html ===================================================== advaitin, "S. Venkatraman" <svenkat52> wrote: > Namaste Ramachandranji, > > Many thanks for referring us to Sadaji'd post on Causal Body. It's > an absolute classic. Till I read the message I did not even know > that I did not understand causal body as well as I should. Towards > the end of the message Sadaji says: > > "Some time back I had article on who is the deep sleeper I, may be > one can download from the files if one is interested - it analyzes > the anirvachaniiyam aspect. In the past, there were several > interesting discussions on that topic on advaita list." > > Could you please let me have the reference of the article Sadaji > mentions about. Many thanks once again. > > pranams, > Venkat - M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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