Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hari OM! Dear All, Why in this perceived world everybody needs infinite happiness, eventhough we know unconsiously that we are the real happiness, "Sacchidananda Swaroopa" and in this world all this finite things gives only finite or shorter period of happiness. Is real happiness having any relationship with relative happiness? Is it not we feel happiness only when our thoughts become calm and subsided at least for that happier moment? Happiness is also an emotion like any other emotions because it happens. We cannot say that at 9:30 in the morning I will be angry, and 10:30 I will be depressed, and 11:00 I will be happy, and 12:00 I will be in sorrow, and 1:30 I will be in bliss. It really happens, why we does not have any control on this? What is the way for absolute, infinite happiness? Which everybody is craving always, and superimposing in the mind that the external things can provide that, and we are at the back of that object. Is it not because of our utter foolishess we are doing this? or it happens automatically without our knowledge? Please all learned members,like to have your views. With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Hello, Your question is possibly the most relevant and possibly the only one I can answer (Ha ha!) (The others deal with the srciptures! I don't like indulging in such talk that lead to only technical match command over the scriptures but not lead to liberation. No offense to learned members.) It is the innate quality of the human being that he has this capability to question one's own behavior. No other animal can do this. Let's maintain this faculty gifted to us by nature. (or God as you may percieve it) You absolutely right, happiness is just an emotion. Like all emotions it is false. There is no true happiness!! Why then are we here? Can we never be happy? What is happy? Happiness is the state of the mind where there is not contentment, but is enjoyment of the result, the response of the mind being that the result is favoured. This leads to 'Trishna' (want) and eventually to craving (Raga) or to aversion in case of failure (Dvesha). So can't there be any happiness that has not failure rates on more demand? Sorry! Wrong number. You will never find any such thing in the whole universe. Some claim it is 'God', but we are not going into that! It's a long and futile discussion. Contentment is different. It asks for nothing more. There is no more want. It is not the state of fulfillment if desires, but that of desirelessness. This is identical to aversionlessness also. In other words it is the state called 'Vitrishna'. Now that we know what happy is, we want to know if we can ever be happy permanently. The answer is plain and simple - Never. So we can only hope to get to the state of 'Vitrishna'. Unfortunately, from this standpoint of a person wanting to acheive infinte happiness, it is not clear as to how 'Vitrishna' is better. But from the point of a person who comes to realize that happiness is actually only sorrow (because of the fact that it leads to trishna) the state of 'Vitrishna' could be understood very well. I shall answer the other questions in your posting here..... -Balaji advaitin, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99> wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear All, > > Why in this perceived world everybody needs infinite happiness, > eventhough we know unconsiously that we are the real > happiness, "Sacchidananda Swaroopa" and in this world all this finite > things gives only finite or shorter period of happiness. We don't know that we are the "real happiness". We have heard of it! This is shruthi. Don't rely too much on it. It is anubhooti that will tell you the truth. Let me put a binding on you..... sit for two hours in a single posture (any posture you feel is comfortable) DOING NOTHING AT ALL, not moving a muscle even and inch. No matter how much your body aches, not a single part is to be moved. At the end of two hours, when you see the watch, you would be so releived. Possibly then you would imagine how it feels to be free from ALL bondages. That is why it is called "real happiness". How ignorance bewilders us is to be known from this ironical point that when a baby is born after nine months of confinement to a single position, it is not releived, but it cries..... Why does this happen? It cries out - "I want air." We are all born with a want! This is why we don't know that which we have heard of - that we are "real happiness". > > Is real happiness having any relationship with relative happiness? Relative to what? I told you happiness is false. The thing you refer to as "real happiness" is actually bodhi. That is truth. Is > it not we feel happiness only when our thoughts become calm and > subsided at least for that happier moment? No. Rather, our thoughts start racing. > > Happiness is also an emotion like any other emotions because it > happens. > > We cannot say that at 9:30 in the morning I will be angry, and 10:30 > I will be depressed, and 11:00 I will be happy, and 12:00 I will be > in sorrow, and 1:30 I will be in bliss. You are right! > > It really happens, why we does not have any control on this? What happens? > > What is the way for absolute, infinite happiness? Which everybody is > craving always, and superimposing in the mind that the external > things can provide that, and we are at the back of that object. Is it > not because of our utter foolishess we are doing this? or it happens > automatically without our knowledge? > There is no absolute happiness! For what you actually referred to or wanted to refer to, first of all, stop carving for it. It will come to you if you look for it in yourself. The faculty of being aware of the truth has to be improved and grown. Then see the truth without forming any craving or aversion for the object from which the truth becomes manifest. > Please all learned members,like to have your views. > > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:10:48 -0000 "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99 Happiness A Question. Dear Sri Krishna Prasad, You asked: "Why in this perceived world everybody needs infinite happiness, even though we know unconsiously that we are the real happiness, "Sacchidananda Swaroopa" and in this world all this finite things gives only finite or shorter period of happiness." It is because our true nature is infinite happiness that we cannot be satisfied with anything less. Unfortunately, seeking 'out there' for it, we are never going to find it. Then you asked: "Is real happiness having any relationship with relative happiness? Is it not we feel happiness only when our thoughts become calm and subsided at least for that happier moment?" Happiness is happiness. What you call 'relative happiness' is still the one real happiness. Its relativeness lies in its short-lived duration. You are right in saying that it appears when our thoughts subside - i.e. when the mind and ego are absent. It disappears because the ego and mind come back saying things such as 'what must I do to make this happiness last?'. You said: "Happiness is also an emotion like any other emotions because it happens." No, happiness is not an emotion - you are confusing this with pleasure. Pleasure can be brought about by stimulating the brain electronically. Happiness cannot. Happiness is what is left when all of the emotions, along with thoughts, perceptions, memories etc. have all been dropped. You then said: "We cannot say that at 9:30 in the morning I will be angry, and 10:30 I will be depressed, and 11:00 I will be happy, and 12:00 I will be in sorrow, and 1:30 I will be in bliss." You are right - we cannot say this. (Or at least we can say it, but it will not happen!) The ego cannot achieve happiness, just as it cannot attain enlightenment. "It really happens, why we does not have any control on this?" As before, we the ego, cannot control any of this. We, the Self, ARE this. "What is the way for absolute, infinite happiness? Which everybody is craving always, and superimposing in the mind that the external things can provide that, and we are at the back of that object. Is it not because of our utter foolishess we are doing this? or it happens automatically without our knowledge?" How do we become enlightened? The usual sort of answer to this is 'Who is asking?'. When will we become everlastingly happy? Same sort of question except that it ought to be rephrased as 'When will I realise that my true nature is infinite happiness?'. Best wishes, Dennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hari OM! Dear Balaji-ji, You Wrote:- > You absolutely right, happiness is just an emotion. Like all emotions > it is false. There is no true happiness!! Why then are we here? Can > we never be happy? What is happy? > > Happiness is the state of the mind where there is not contentment, > but is enjoyment of the result, the response of the mind being that > the result is favoured. This leads to 'Trishna' (want) and eventually Answer for the above: No happiness is not an emotion, Pleasure is the emotion, as Dennisji said in his post. You Wrote: > Happiness is the state of the mind where there is not contentment, > but is enjoyment of the result, the response of the mind being that > the result is favoured. This leads to 'Trishna' (want) and eventually > to craving (Raga) or to aversion in case of failure (Dvesha). So > can't there be any happiness that has not failure rates on more > demand? Sorry! Wrong number. You will never find any such thing in > the whole universe. > > Some claim it is 'God', but we are not going into that! It's a long > and futile discussion. Answer for the above: This you are talking about in a "Vyavaharika" state. Happiness is not the state of mind, Happiness is our nature, Pleasure is the state of mind. Why can't we go to that GOD centered discussion, I like to have that futile discussion! It can be a short discussion also. You Wrote: > Now that we know what happy is, we want to know if we can ever be > happy permanently. The answer is plain and simple - Never. So we can > only hope to get to the state of 'Vitrishna'. Unfortunately, from > this standpoint of a person wanting to acheive infinte happiness, it > is not clear as to how 'Vitrishna' is better. But from the point of a > person who comes to realize that happiness is actually only sorrow > (because of the fact that it leads to trishna) the state > of 'Vitrishna' could be understood very well. Answer for the above: If we know what happiness is, then there is no question of permanently happy, because we are already in that state. Any thing "I Want" is a problem, the basic Sruthi, for most of our life is "I wantI wantI want".. like a Tambura for the music! There is no desirelessness, in this state of consiousness, Desirelessness comes when mind is matured, and purified, that real desirelessness is eventhough we have desire, we have the right knowledge through discrimination,(that is we analyze and act). With Love & OM! Krishna Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 advaitin, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99> wrote: > Hari OM! > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > You Wrote:- > > You absolutely right, happiness is just an emotion. Like all > emotions > > it is false. There is no true happiness!! Why then are we here? Can > > we never be happy? What is happy? > > > > Happiness is the state of the mind where there is not contentment, > > but is enjoyment of the result, the response of the mind being that > > the result is favoured. This leads to 'Trishna' (want) and > eventually > > Answer for the above: > > No happiness is not an emotion, Pleasure is the emotion, as Dennisji > said in his post. Pleasure is derived from happiness. Try being happy without deriving pleasure out of it. There is no difference between them the moment pleasure is born of it. The happiness that we all want is non- existent. The "real happiness" that u refer to is but jnana or bodhi, which comes out of pure truth. > > > You Wrote: > > > Happiness is the state of the mind where there is not contentment, > > but is enjoyment of the result, the response of the mind being that > > the result is favoured. This leads to 'Trishna' (want) and > eventually > > to craving (Raga) or to aversion in case of failure (Dvesha). So > > can't there be any happiness that has not failure rates on more > > demand? Sorry! Wrong number. You will never find any such thing in > > the whole universe. > > > > Some claim it is 'God', but we are not going into that! It's a long > > and futile discussion. > > Answer for the above: > > This you are talking about in a "Vyavaharika" state. How do you want the answer to be? The truth will remain so, irrespective of your accepting it. > > Happiness is not the state of mind, Happiness is our nature, Pleasure > is the state of mind. Try being happy without any deriving pleasure out of it. I have interpreted happiness as the antonym of sorrow (duhkha) rather than as the product of selflessness, which I'd rather refer to as equanimity and tranquility of mind 'Vitrishna'. Possibly you are confusing the two. > > Why can't we go to that GOD centered discussion, I like to have that > futile discussion! It can be a short discussion also. My best possible advice to anyone: Don't waste time on futile discussions! > > You Wrote: > > > Now that we know what happy is, we want to know if we can ever be > > happy permanently. The answer is plain and simple - Never. So we > can > > only hope to get to the state of 'Vitrishna'. Unfortunately, from > > this standpoint of a person wanting to acheive infinte happiness, > it > > is not clear as to how 'Vitrishna' is better. But from the point of > a > > person who comes to realize that happiness is actually only sorrow > > (because of the fact that it leads to trishna) the state > > of 'Vitrishna' could be understood very well. > > Answer for the above: > > If we know what happiness is, then there is no question of > permanently happy, because we are already in that state. Just now you said happiness is not a state, but just our nature! Well, no, we can know happiness in and out, without being in that state. Rather it's best known without being in that state but being equanimous. > > Any thing "I Want" is a problem, the basic Sruthi, for most of our > life is "I wantI wantI want".. like a Tambura for the music! > > There is no desirelessness, in this state of consiousness, > Desirelessness comes when mind is matured, and purified, that real > desirelessness is eventhough we have desire, we have the right > knowledge through discrimination,(that is we analyze and act). > You are right! > With Love & OM! > > Krishna Prasad -Balaji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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