Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Sri Sundar wrote: Mithyavada would then be translated as 'Unrealism', rather than 'Illusionism', the latter word used merely as an approximate illustration or simile. I do not think Shankara has ever used Mithya as equivalent to Maya, the latter being an inherent Power' or 'Shakti' of Brahman. Realism in Vedanta is then 'Satyavada'. Mithya is that which is subject to the 6 modifications (ShaDvikAra) - (asti, jAyate, vardhate, vipariNamate, apakShIyate,vinashyati - exists, takes birth, grows, matures, decays, dies). Would anyone have a reference as to when the word 'Mayavada' was used and by whom? Namaste Sundarji, Thank you for that scholarly note. Though we try to pin the great thinkers to a certain *vada or other it is a fact that they escape our petty classifications and remain unique. The greater the philosophy the more it sustains varient interpretation. Each succeeding generation finds them their contemporaries. Best Wishes, Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Namaste Sunderji, I do possess two tamil Saiva Siddhanta texts where the word 'Mayavada' occurs. The first one is a 13th century text by the name of Sankarpa Nirakaranam written by Umapati Sivacharya. The other one is Thirumanthiram by Thirumular dated much earlier than the former text. best regards, K Kathirasan > > Sunder Hattangadi [sMTP:sunderh] > Friday, April 02, 2004 11:33 PM > advaitin > Re: Shankara on all "Isms" > > advaitin, ombhurbhuva <ombhurbhuva@e...> wrote: > > Namaste All, > > > > On the question of Shankara and the 'isms' am I right > > in thinking that *vada is the sanskrit for *ism as in > > vijnanavada, satkaryavada etc. > > > > Namaste Michaelji, > > Good point, and I agree with you. Strictly speaking, > Shankara's should be spoken of as 'Mithyavada', and NOT 'Mayavada'. > > Mithyavada would then be translated as 'Unrealism', rather > than 'Illusionism', the latter word used merely as an approximate > illustration or simile. I do not think Shankara has ever used Mithya > as equivalent to Maya, the latter being an inherent Power' > or 'Shakti' of Brahman. Realism in Vedanta is then 'Satyavada'. > > Mithya is that which is subject to the 6 modifications > (ShaDvikAra) - (asti, jAyate, vardhate, vipariNamate, apakShIyate, > vinashyati - exists, takes birth, grows, matures, decays, dies). > > Would anyone have a reference as to when the word 'Mayavada' > was used and by whom? > > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 advaitin, K Kathirasan NCS <kkathir@n...> wrote: > Namaste Sunderji, > > I do possess two tamil Saiva Siddhanta texts where the word 'Mayavada' > occurs. The first one is a 13th century text by the name of Sankarpa > Nirakaranam written by Umapati Sivacharya. The other one is Thirumanthiram > by Thirumular dated much earlier than the former text. Namaste Kathirasanji, Many thanks for the references. Do the texts refer to Shankara, or to Maya and Mithya as equivalent words? Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Namaste Sunderji, Both texts do not quote Shankara explicitly but in Sankarpa Nirakaranam, the author refutes all other schools of thought to establish Saiva religion as the Siddhanta supported by Saiva Agamas and Vedas. Hence it is called Saiva Siddhanta. The author had also taken pains to use mantras from the Upanishads to support his siddhanta thereby refuting Advaita (or Mayavada). While studying the text I realized that the author wasn't refuting Shankara but rather the Advaitins of his times and his country. I have yet to do an in-depth study of the text, therefore I won't be able to share anything more. Another thing that might interest Advaitins would be a verse from Thirumanthiram (i.e. verse 2179) where the author makes a distinction between Vedanta & Mayavada based on the number of tattvas. Here is the translated verse: Tattvas six and ninety are the over-all; Out of them, six and thirty are the Tattvas for Saivas; Eight and twenty for Vedantins; Four and twenty for Vaishnavas; Five and twenty for Mayavadins. best regards, K Kathirasan > > Sunder Hattangadi [sMTP:sunderh] > Monday, April 05, 2004 10:52 AM > advaitin > Re: Shankara on all "Isms" > > advaitin, K Kathirasan NCS <kkathir@n...> > wrote: > > Namaste Sunderji, > > > > I do possess two tamil Saiva Siddhanta texts where the > word 'Mayavada' > > occurs. The first one is a 13th century text by the name of Sankarpa > > Nirakaranam written by Umapati Sivacharya. The other one is > Thirumanthiram > > by Thirumular dated much earlier than the former text. > > Namaste Kathirasanji, > > Many thanks for the references. Do the texts refer to > Shankara, or to Maya and Mithya as equivalent words? > > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > > Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of > Atman and Brahman. > Advaitin List Archives available at: > http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ > To Post a message send an email to : advaitin > Messages Archived at: advaitin/messages > > > Links > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 advaitin, K Kathirasan NCS <kkathir@n...> wrote: > Namaste Sunderji, > > Both texts do not quote Shankara explicitly but in Sankarpa Nirakaranam, the > author refutes all other schools of thought to establish Saiva religion as > the Siddhanta supported by Saiva Agamas and Vedas. Namaste, A question had been raised privately whether Shankara had called Maya as 'shakti' of Brahman. I referred to Gita 4:6 - ajo.api sannavyayaatmaa bhuutaanaamiishvaro.api san.h . prakR^iti.n svaamadhishhThaaya sambhavaamyaatmamaayayaa .. 4\-6.. [.....akShINaj~nAnashaktisvabhAvaH api san..... Shankara] and to Saundaryalahari verse 1, line 1: shivaH shaktyaa yukto yadi bhavati shaktaH prabhavitu.n......... I would appreciate members' comments whether these references confirm Shankara using Maya and Shakti as equivalent. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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