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[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Perhaps an acknowledgement of the 'Tripura Rahasya' may fit in this

discussion.

 

Verse 48 - "...The intellect of babes is always unmodified and yet they do

not realize the self."

 

Verse 49 - "Nirvikalpa Samadhi clearly will never eradicate ignorance.

Therefor in order to destroy it Savikalpa Samadhi must be sought."

 

Wamest Regards

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste & Salutations Harsha,

 

You inquired - 'Where did you get this translation of verse 49 (Chapter 17 -

'Tripura Rahasya')?'

 

Response - From the translation of Swami Sri Ramananda Saraswathi, publisher

T. N. Venkataraman, Sri Rramanasramam - Tiruvannamalai, India.

 

Harsha stated - Savikalpa Samadhi is only the first step. See verse 69

(Chapter 17 of Tripura Rahasya) which states that Nirvikalpa Samadhi is attained

through the deep state of meditation. Then one constantly remembers, "I am

That".

 

Response - As extracted from the translation of Sri Ramananda, chap. XVII.

verse 69, "Memory of that realisation enables one to identify the Inner Self

with the Universal Self (as "I am That"). Note.-This is Pratyabhina Jnana.

 

In additional commentary on verse 69 of chapter XVII, Sri Ramananda goes on

to state - "Dhyana (contemplation) is designated in its progressive stages, as

Savikalpa Samadhi (qualified Samadhi) and Nirvikalpa Samadhi (unqualified

Samadhi). Dhyana leads to the repose consequent on the resolve that the mind in

its absolute purity is only the self. There are interruptions by thought

obtruding in the earlier stages. Then the practice goes by he name of Dhyana.

When

the repose remains smooth and uniterrupted for some appreciable time, it is

called Savikalpa Samadhi. If by its constant practice, the repose ensues without

any previous resolve (i.e., effortlessly) and continues uninterrupted for

some time, it is called Nirvikalpa Samadhi. The Inner Self glows in all its

purity, in the last stage."

 

These verses were presented to conversants who were conversating about

Savikalpa Samadhi, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi. And whether the former is necessay

for

the latter. The antecedent verses, in particular, verses 39 through 47, chapter

XVII, of the Tripura Rahasya (and their emphasis on "want of attention"), lay

the foundation so to speak for verse 48, which avers that want of attention is

characteristic of babes, whose intellects are unmodified (as is the intellect

of one in Nirvikalpa Samadhi) and yet babes do not realise the self.

 

As I understand this topic, the progressive stages spoken of in the

commentary to verse 69 are axiomatic due to the conversants conversation on the

matter.

I joined this conversation as a means to inspire and to be inspired by the

dialogue on the Supreme Self. And you have inspired me to continue to reflect on

the scriptures that speak of the Supreme Self. Thank You.

 

Warmest Regards,

Mark

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Where did you get this translation of verse 49 (Chapter 17).

 

Savikalpa Samadhi is only the first step.

 

See verse 69 (Chapter 17 of Tripura Rahasya) which states that Nirvikalpa

Samadhi is attained through the deep state of meditation. Then one constantly

remembers, "I am That".

 

I am not a Sanskrit scholar and perhaps others can comment on these verses.

 

Savikalpa means with kalpa or with mind or with imagination. Nirvikalpa means

without kalpa, without imagination.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

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Namaste,

 

Perhaps an acknowledgement of the 'Tripura Rahasya' may fit in this

discussion.

 

Verse 48 - "...The intellect of babes is always unmodified and yet they do

not realize the self."

 

Verse 49 - "Nirvikalpa Samadhi clearly will never eradicate ignorance.

Therefor in order to destroy it Savikalpa Samadhi must be sought."

 

Wamest Regards