Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Namaste Kathiresanji, and all, It is kind of you to read my posting on “Maya” I do not know the period of Tirumular. I mentioned in my posting that the book “I have read” states the period as 6000 BC. However, the only purpose of my posting was to state that “Maya” concept was there much before Sri Adi Shankaracharya, as He is branded as “Mayavadi” by many schools, who have not appreciated/understood his Teaching. He used the concept of Maya and Avidya only to correct the fundamental error in our knowledge about the creation, creator, i.e. Eswara, and about one’s own Self. You kindly mentioned in another post that Sabda Pramana is a direct means of knowledge. Agreed, Sabda Pramanam is one of the Valid Means of Knowledge. However, in the case of Sabda Pramanam (SP), even after hearing the Sabda or even after the pramana (means of knowledge), Prameya (object of knowledge) and Pramaatru (knower), are there, Prama (knowledge) can take place generally only after enquiry. The Guru helps in this enquiry. For example in the case of “Tatwam Asi”, i.e. You are That, the knowledge of You being That does not take place immediately. It is not like the knowledge that takes place when one sees a jar “This is a jar”. In the case of “Tatwamasi” the knowledge of unity of two “objects” (?) having entirely opposite natures, i.e. “That” is Sarvajna, Sarvavyapi and Sarvashaktiman, and “Thou” is Alpjna, Alpavyapi and Alpashaktiman, is unfolded after enquiry with the help of a Guru. This knowledge requires enquiry and Guru’s (maybe even in the form of Bhasyas, etc.) help so that the intended knowledge takes place. It is in this connection that I mentioned in my mail that there is the necessity of a Guru, and also one’s own “manana”. Otherwise, why so many Bhashyas and commentaries on Vedanta particularly? Even the sons of Brahma, i.e. Sanaka, etc. had to go to Lord Dakshinamurthy although they did have exposure to the sabda pramanam. Even for mathematics, etc. we require a teacher, although the books on such subjects also are sabda pramanas. Even for knowing that SP is a valid means of knowledge we require a Guru like Poojya Swami Dayanandaji; then what to speak of “Tatwam Asi”. In this context, the question of Anthakarana Shudhi is always brought up for Prama, i.e. knowledge to take place through Sabda Pramana i.e. knowledge of “Jeevabrahmaikyam” to take place. However, what is this degree of Anthakarana shudhi? I feel although antharana shudhi should be there to some extent, i.e. a mind free from prejudice, and full of Sradha for the words of the Shruties and the Guru, further anthakaranashudhi takes place side by side, slowly but certainly, as one proceeds with the assimilation of self knowledge. This assimilation requires not only one’s own effort (Manana), but also guidance from a Guru and, and such guidance can be from the Bhashyas, and Bhashyakaras themselves are Gurus. The assimilation of the knowledge in my opinion, is very very important, without which though the knowledge is there, it will not help one to reach the goal. It is from the above angle that I mentioned sabda pramana as indirect knowledge, and I did not mean SP is an indirect means of knowledge. SP gives indeterminate knowledge and not determinate knowledge like “This is a jar”. This is how I understand the whole subject, and I am sure our learned members always are there to help me to correct wherever required, and, I am sure, it is for such correction through parasparabodhanam, the Group is striving for. Hari Om and warm regards to all Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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