Re :Why a Commentary? - The Swimming Analogy ! GUNA BRAHMINS! not JATI !

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Balaji Ramasubramanian"

<balajiramasubramanian> wrote:

 

Dear Balaji-ji

 

Balaji-ji wrote:

 

But I thought that since

> many would be brahmins in this group and the word AchAra (which

> appears so close to Achara) also means clean practice in their

ligua,

 

 

Actually Brahmin means only Jati Brahmin as per your email, really

all of us are Brahmins because we have Adavaita vasana! And most of

us are Guna Brahmins. Not one who puts the Yagyobavidham but the

quality of the mind should be Brahmin.

 

Most important is whether we are Guna Brahmin's are not, there is no

consideration for jati Brahmins! even Bhagwan says no jati. so there

is no significance for them.

 

In Srimad Bhagawad Geetha Lord says:

 

"ChaturVarnYam MaYaa srisHtam

Guna, Karma Vibhavasha ha"

 

Brahmin is the mouth of Bhagwan, Bahu of Bhagwan is Kshathriya, and

his big uoru is Vaishya and the Padam is Sudra.

 

Actually we all worship the Padam of Bhagwan, so sudra is worshipped,

mostly.

 

The GODs which Jati Brahmin's worship are not jati Brahmins!

 

Lord Krishna was a Yadava according to jati

 

Lord Rama was a Kshatriya according to jati

 

Veda Vyasa was born for a fisherwoman,

 

and Lord Shiva luckily nobody knows his religion.

 

Jati Brahmin's is not at all valid in our scriptures it all made by

certain group of people. Only thing we are concerned about is whether

we are Guna Brahmins or not. So become a Guna Brahmin even if you are

a jati Brahmin. There is no speciality for Jati Brahmin.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

[Guest guest]

Namaste Krishnaji,

 

Thanks a lot for posting that message about brahmin jati here. You

touched on something that even I agree with. One should be a human

being first, then one should have the right qualifications to be

called whatever. But then that should not really matter. It does not

in Dharma, but unfortunately, soceity has formed itself into such

groups nowadays.

 

But again let me draw your kind attention to the fact that a Brahmin

is said to be so only if he knows the Absolute Truth - Brahman. The

sanskrit word - brAhmaNah means one who knows Brahman. Even the

Buddha critcized the dogmatic birth based caste system prevalent in

India and established the meaning on Brahmin in the last chapter of

DhammapAda where he says 'One whose beyond-o-not-beyond or beyond-&-

not-beyond can't be found; unshackled, carefree: he's what I call a

brahmin.'

 

This cannot come simply through philosphy [message #22206], but will

come only through 'right practice', AcharaNa.

 

-Balaji

[Guest guest]

PS: So from what I had written earlier about Brahmin and not brahmin,

none of us here is eligible to be called brahmin. But soceity calls

itself so. Hence, I use the vyAvahArika term here (being that of

jAti, which is very unfortunate).

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Balaji Ramasubramanian"

<balajiramasubramanian> wrote:

> PS: So from what I had written earlier about Brahmin and not

brahmin,

> none of us here is eligible to be called brahmin.

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At least you are eligible to point out that no one is eligible. :-).

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "harshaimtm" wrote:

> advaitin, "Balaji Ramasubramanian"

> <balajiramasubramanian> wrote:

> > PS: So from what I had written earlier about Brahmin and not

> brahmin,

> > none of us here is eligible to be called brahmin.

> *************************

> At least you are eligible to point out that no one is eligible. :-

).

 

Namaste

 

I hope the following does not surprise the members who are

discussing the above topic:

 

Axccording to scriptures, a brahmin ceases to be a brahmin the

moment he does one of the following: (this is not an exhaustive

list!)

(1) defaults on his Gayatri japa;

(2) sells his knowledge;

(3) accepts a bribe ;

(4) urinates, like an animal, while standing; or

(5) copulates, without wanting a progeny.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sri Balaji:

 

I find your speculative statements such as - "None of us here is

eligible to be called brahmin" is inappropriate. This advaitin list

family consists of nearly 800 members, some of them possess the

necessary credintials to be called as brahmins and everyone in the

list is certainly eligible to become a brahmin! Is anyone stopping

them to become a brahmin?

 

Warmest regards,

 

Ram Chandran

 

Note: The saying, "If we spill the grains, we can pick them back

without much damage, but if the words are spilled, it can't be taken

back!"

 

advaitin, "Balaji Ramasubramanian"

<balajiramasubramanian> wrote:

> PS: So from what I had written earlier about Brahmin and not

brahmin,

> none of us here is eligible to be called brahmin. But soceity calls

> itself so. Hence, I use the vyAvahArika term here (being that of

> jAti, which is very unfortunate).

[Guest guest]

our beloved Balaji writes...

 

" This cannot come simply through philosphy [message #22206], but

will > come only through 'right practice', AcharaNa.

 

 

well, "acharana" is RIGHT PRACTICE ! but that is only the first

step ! without 'sadacharam' (virtuous conduct) , such 'acharna' is

only an ornament! you can wear the cleanest of clothes, take bath

daily , do trikala sandhavadanam but if you cannot practice

sadacharam then it is not meaningful, brahmin or no brahmin!!!

 

here 'sadacharam;' can be interprested in Two ways !

 

1) virtuous conduct

 

2) conduct of the virtuous

 

What is the use of 'external' cleanliness if the person has a bad

conduct!

 

so, to be a person with brahminical qualities you need

 

1)AAcharam (PURITY)

 

2) AnushaNAM (RIGHT OBSERVANCE)

 

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

 

3) SADACHARAM ( virtuous conduct)

 

thanks for listening!

 

love

 

d(adi)ji !

[Guest guest]

pl excuse the typo!

 

shoud read "anushtanam" -right observance!

 

recovering from Laser eye surgery!

 

love

 

 

 

advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16>

wrote:

> our beloved Balaji writes...

>

> " This cannot come simply through philosphy [message #22206], but

> will > come only through 'right practice', AcharaNa.

>

>

> well, "acharana" is RIGHT PRACTICE ! but that is only the first

> step ! without 'sadacharam' (virtuous conduct) , such 'acharna' is

> only an ornament! you can wear the cleanest of clothes, take bath

> daily , do trikala sandhavadanam but if you cannot practice

> sadacharam then it is not meaningful, brahmin or no brahmin!!!

>

> here 'sadacharam;' can be interprested in Two ways !

>

> 1) virtuous conduct

>

> 2) conduct of the virtuous

>

> What is the use of 'external' cleanliness if the person has a bad

> conduct!

>

> so, to be a person with brahminical qualities you need

>

> 1)AAcharam (PURITY)

>

> 2) AnushaNAM (RIGHT OBSERVANCE)

>

> AND MOST IMPORTANTLY

>

> 3) SADACHARAM ( virtuous conduct)

>

> thanks for listening!

>

> love

>

> d(adi)ji !

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree with you that NONE OF US IS ELIGIBLE TO BE CALLED BRAHMINS.

Namaste

 

 

Balaji Ramasubramanian <balajiramasubramanian wrote:

PS: So from what I had written earlier about Brahmin and not brahmin,

none of us here is eligible to be called brahmin. But soceity calls

itself so. Hence, I use the vyAvahArika term here (being that of

jAti, which is very unfortunate).

 

 

 

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V. Krishnamurthy [profvk]

Friday, April 16, 2004 6:40 PM

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Re: Re :Why a Commentary? - The Swimming Analogy ! GUNA

BRAHMINS! not JATI !

 

 

Namaste

 

I hope the following does not surprise the members who are

discussing the above topic:

 

Axccording to scriptures, a brahmin ceases to be a brahmin the

moment he does one of the following: (this is not an exhaustive

list!)

(1) defaults on his Gayatri japa;

(2) sells his knowledge;

(3) accepts a bribe ;

(4) urinates, like an animal, while standing; or

(5) copulates, without wanting a progeny.

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

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Thank you Krishnamurthyji. Being on this list is a gift of education.

 

Love to all

Harsha