BhArata SamBhavam - Vishwamitra and vrittis!

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Beloved benji writes...

 

"All in all, a great way to get a taste of classic Indian

culture. And being Indian, there was naturally a spiritual message,

namely, that even the greatest sage could be seduced by a

sufficiently beautiful woman. "

 

benji, do you know the story of Vishwamitra?

 

Viswamitra was once a King who became a rishi after doing 'tapas' and

practicing austerities. He was known as a Rajarishi . Vishwamitra

wanted to attain the status of a Brahmarishi just like sage

vasishta!

 

you are right, benji ! lust is difficult to conquer but more

difficult than lust is to overcome a false 'ego' and the sense of

jealousy or envy! Vishwamitra was always jealous of sage vasishta.

sage Vashishtha addressed Vishwamitra as "raajarishi" or great

king that had become an ascetic. Vishwamitra was very upset at this,

and could not understand why he had not yet earned Vashishth's

respect. He became increasingly irritated, and finally decided to

kill Vashishtha so that everyone would know him as brahmarishi.

 

One night, he hid near Vashishtha's home. At that time, he overheard

Vashishtha telling his wife Arundhati how great a saint Vishwamitra

was and how his penance was reminiscent of the peaceful moonlight.

Hearing this, Vishwamitra changed his mind, and felt real remorse at

what he had almost done. At the instance this realization came, g

Vishwamitra immediately approached sage vasishta and touched

Vaishta's feet and asked for forgiveness .

 

Vasishta now realized that vishwamitra has now conquered his sense of

false ego and jealousy and lifted him up and addressed sage

vishwamitra as "brahmarishi" ! hence the famous saying "vashistar

vayale brahmarishi" ( from the mouth of vasishtar, the title of

brahmarishi - an honor so to speak) !

 

do you know that it was sage vishwamitra who gave the gayathri mantra

to the world?

 

also, The sage vishwamitra had the power to awaken the Lord. He

could see the past, present and the future. He initiated the Lord in

his mission to fight the evil and restore dharma. Even today in most

of the temples in India, the Lord is awakened through sage

Vishwamitra's hymn - Kaushalya Rama Poorva Sandhya

Pravarchathe ............

 

sage vishwamitra is also credited with creating the Trishanku

swargam!

 

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well, the point in narrating all this is one has to conquer many

vrittis - anger, jealousy, false pride, arrogance, coveteousness,

lust, desires, greed, ego ignorance etc... these are the internal

demons one needs to conquer ! all these external demons like

ravana,mahisura , hirnakashyapu are purely imaginary!

 

love and light!

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Namaste Adiji,

>benji, do you know the story of Vishwamitra?

>Viswamitra was once a King who became a rishi after

>doing 'tapas' and practicing austerities. He was known

>as a Rajarishi . Vishwamitra wanted to attain the status

>of a Brahmarishi just like sage Vasishta!

 

 

Well, I knew enough about Vishvamitra to write that summary of the

story of Shakuntala, which I got from a website. Now you give me

more interesting details of his life. For instance, he was another

ancient king like Janaka who could also become a super-sage. Imagine

a politician doing that today. Impossible! Our ancestors were far

superior to us!

 

Also, I am glad to hear that Vasishta is way up there too. I really

like the Yoga Vasistha, both philosophically and poetically (a rare

combination). As I have told older list members here, I used to

study Buddhism (and still do). All that I ever liked in Buddhism can

be found in the Yoga Vasistha (and much more). So some previous

discussions we have had here about whether Buddhism is compatible

with Advaita are clearly irrelevant. However, Advaita, like the Yoga

Vasishta, may go further and make some claims of a more positive

nature not explicitly made in Buddhism (except perhaps with my

inimitable talent at reinterpretation).

 

If Sage Vishvamitra was jealous of Vasistha, then he had more

weaknesses than just lust! However, it may be that even a person

with some moral deficiencies can cause the earth to shake if his

tapas is deep enough. In other words, it may be possible to acquire

some spiritual powers through sufficiently intense meditation, even

if our heart is not completely pure. I do not rule out such

possibilities. Unlike many Hindus I have met who try to be modern

and scientific, I do not rule out spiritual powers, nor do I affirm

them, as I simply don't have first-hand experience.

 

Fortunately, as you say, Vishvamitra repented in the end. Clearly

Vasistha was the number one sage! I am glad to hear this ringing

endorsement of my beloved Yoga Vasistha.

 

So it was Vishvamitra who gave the Gayatri to the world. I have a

really good CD of the Gayatri put out by Times Music. I think Pandit

Jasraj is on it, as well as a great choir. Very austere and

impressive sounding. Not like the sweet devotional bhajans, which

are far more down to earth and less cosmic sounding. I like the

Vedic spirit better ... cosmic!!!

 

Clearly you know your Hinduism, Adiji. Please continue to teach us

.... or at least me.

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

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Namaste!

 

I am sure many of the members know this story well, but I once heard

a nice explanation of Vishvamitra's spiritual progress which I would

like to share here.

 

Sage Vishvamitra's quest for spiritual powers is an interesting one.

It did not start out that way. He and his entourage were once

entertained to a sumptuous repast by Vasishta. Vishvamitra was

curious as to how a hermit could entertain a king and his army like

that. He found out that Vasishta had a divine cow Nandini who could

materialize things at will. He asked Vasishta to give the cow to him

as a king would be able to put it to better use. Vasishta refused

and Vishvamitra tried to take her away by force. Nandini

materialized an army that drove away the king and his army.

 

Vishvamitra then did severe penance to acquire divine weapons. When

he returned armed with such weapons, he found that they were

powerless against Vasishta's brahma danda. He then uttered the

famous line, "dig balam kshatriya balam, brahma tejo balam balam".

(Useless is the power of Kshatriyas. The strength of a brahma rishi

alone is strength).

 

He then undertook penance this time to become a brahma rishi. In

this he was twice thwarted - the first time he yielded to lust and

was enticed by Menaka, the second time by Trishanku to help send him

to heaven. He had to continue his penence further. Finally, he was

pronounced Brahma rishi by Lord Brahma himself, but he wanted to be

recognized as such by Vasishta.

 

It is interesting to note Vishvamitra's progress - he started with

greed to acquire the cow (lobha), which led to anger (krodha), then

had to get past lust (kama) and his pride in his spiritual prowess

(mada) which prompted him to try to create a parallel heaven for

Trishanku and finally his jealousy (matsarya) for Vasishta before he

could attain the status of brahma rishi.

 

Harih Om!

Neelakantan

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Namaste Neelakantanji

>He then uttered the famous line, "dig balam kshatriya

>balam, brahma tejo balam balam". (Useless is the power

>of Kshatriyas. The strength of a brahma rishi alone is

>strength).

 

 

Hmmm... Sounds like a bit of a Brahmin-Kshatriya rivalry. I suspect

that such a rivalry existed to some extent throughout Indian history,

at least from time to time. It would be interesting to find out.

 

I notice one interesting fact: Krishna and Buddha were both Kshatriyas!

 

From the point of view of stereotypes, Brahmins have the advantage of

erudition, intellect and wisdom. However, Kshatriyas have one great

advantage: their willingness to lay down their life for a higher

cause. This is the ultimate sacrifice and resembles Jesus a bit.

 

Of course, this caste business is no longer strictly relevant to

today's world, but Brahmin and Kshatriya still typify types of

people. Scholars do tend to be more gentle and quiet and less likely

to face death with courage than soldiers. That takes some

battlefield experience, if only to learn to control one's nerves.

 

Although wisdom is preeminent, let us not forget the considerable

spiritual level required to face the death of the body with courage,

despite assurances from the Gita that there is neither slayer nor

slain.

 

Also, I think that intellectuals are a bit more vulnerable to pride

and ego, though not by much! :-)

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

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neelakantanji,

 

you write

 

"It is interesting to note Vishvamitra's progress - he started with

greed to acquire the cow (lobha), which led to anger (krodha), then

had to get past lust (kama) and his pride in his spiritual prowess

(mada) which prompted him to try to create a parallel heaven for

Trishanku and finally his jealousy (matsarya) for Vasishta before he

could attain the status of brahma rishi."

 

wow! neelakantanji ! you have explained it beautifully in terms of

astavargas

 

1) lobha

2) krodha

3) kama

4) mada

5) matsarya

 

and thank you for taking the discussion of sage vishwamitra to the

next higher level! benji, neelakantanji and other learned members

here are the persons you should learn hinduism from!

 

regards

 

i

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Namaste,

 

Earlier I said:

 

"From the point of view of stereotypes, Brahmins have the advantage

of erudition, intellect and wisdom. However, Kshatriyas have one

great advantage: their willingness to lay down their life for a

higher cause. This is the ultimate sacrifice and resembles Jesus a

bit."

 

 

A bit too simplistic... I just reread an article that refreshed my

memory on how Brahmins led the independence movement. Some died and

many went to prison.

 

Still, I wonder how Brahmins and Kshatriyas got along in ancient

times and what effect this had on the evolution of Hinduism.

Probably too big a question.

 

Oh well, enough politics for today.

 

Hari Om!

Benjamin

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our Benji writes...

 

"Also, I think that intellectuals are a bit more vulnerable to pride

and ego, though not by much! :-)"

 

Smiles back!

 

pride and ego! great motivating factors in a corporate environment

but in the world of spiritulity???????????

 

i had read this on the net quite a while back and had stored it in my

files ... pl read on! quite interesting!

 

Pick a word - Any Word

 

For the "intellectual type" such as myself (or those on the spiritual

path of jnana/gyana), who enjoy an occasional "mind

game" that may be educational as well, words in our

native language can teach us much.

 

Human language is a dualistic medium, and thus gives us the

opportunity to examine dualism carefully from a nondual standpoint.

 

Let me give an example: Let's take an English word, and pull it

apart: Myself.

 

My Self.

 

Who is referred to in the word "My?"

 

Who is referred to in the word "Self?"

 

Meditations: * Is it My (I AM) self (ego)? Or

is it my (ego) Self (I AM)?

Or is it neither?

 

* Why is this word "run together?"

 

Why do we not say "My self?"

 

writings of omkara

 

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i invite our beloved Harsha, a devotee of Ramana , and other members

to solve this word puzzle?

 

love

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advaitin, Benjamin <orion777ben> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Earlier I said:

>

> "From the point of view of stereotypes, Brahmins have the advantage

> of erudition, intellect and wisdom. However, Kshatriyas have one

> great advantage: their willingness to lay down their life for a

> higher cause. This is the ultimate sacrifice and resembles Jesus a

> bit."

>

>

> A bit too simplistic... I just reread an article that refreshed my

> memory on how Brahmins led the independence movement. Some died

and

> many went to prison.

>

> Still, I wonder how Brahmins and Kshatriyas got along in ancient

> times and what effect this had on the evolution of Hinduism.

> Probably too big a question.

>

 

Namaste Benji,

 

Parashurama and Drona were great brahmin warriors. And there were

kings like Janaka who taught atma vidya to others including brahmins.

 

Harih Om!

Neelakantan

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respected all,

the true brahmin is already on a

renounciatory path from the day of his initiation.

and he was supposed to live on a day

to day basis.

what more was there for him to give

up?

life is the cheapest thing one can

surrender.

[we keep saying, "i will give you my

life". what will the poor fellow do with your dead

body? be arrested for murder?]

even today, after the brahmin was

wrathfully removed from public administration, see

where "corruption in govt" and every walk of life has

led india to?

differentiating between "public

wealth" and "personal earnings" has now disappeared.

the men in power think they are

perfectly entitled to a percentage return on the

funds going thro their hands, though he is only a

functionary disbursing public remittances for public

weal.

from time immemorial , vasishtta and

vaamadeva to rajagopalachari and jawahar lal nehru,

as long as the "brahmin" was the MANTHRI, there was

fear to touch public funds, public wealth, temple

wealth etc.

but see now, where we have landed,

after the distinction between public and personal

wealth has been erased?

in the" phala shruthi" for vishnu

sahasra naamam, the brahmin can aspire only for

jnaanam, not wealth and well being!!!

there is no need to JUMP ON ME.

I AGREE there are no more brahmins

left.apologia to whoever of the species have

survived.

painfully yrs,

a.v.krshnan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Neelakantan <pneelaka wrote: > --- In

advaitin, Benjamin

> <orion777ben> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Earlier I said:

> >

> > "From the point of view of stereotypes, Brahmins

> have the advantage

> > of erudition, intellect and wisdom. However,

> Kshatriyas have one

> > great advantage: their willingness to lay down

> their life for a

> > higher cause. This is the ultimate sacrifice and

> resembles Jesus a

> > bit."

> >

> >

> > A bit too simplistic... I just reread an article

> that refreshed my

> > memory on how Brahmins led the independence

> movement. Some died

> and

> > many went to prison.

> >

> > Still, I wonder how Brahmins and Kshatriyas got

> along in ancient

> > times and what effect this had on the evolution of

> Hinduism.

> > Probably too big a question.

> >

>

> Namaste Benji,

>

> Parashurama and Drona were great brahmin warriors.

> And there were

> kings like Janaka who taught atma vidya to others

> including brahmins.

>

> Harih Om!

> Neelakantan

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hari OM!

 

Dear Krishnaji,

 

I think you mentioned here regarding jathi Brahmins, there is no

significance for them, most of the jathi Brahmins are not Guna

Brahmins! Even if they rule nowadays corrpution will happen. When the

so called "clean" poeple ruled also they have done corruption, for

their selfishness, which will never come out to the public. They do

everything as hypocrites, Hidingly! Nehru was one of the immoral

character history have seen, and he is almost an atheist due to his

British education. Even though he has done lot of good things to

India.

 

Corruption is in the Human Mind, not in the Jathi! Jathi got nothing

to do with corruption.

 

In The Vishnu Sahasranamam the "Brahmin" menitoned is Only GUNA

BRAHMIN, not the one who wears Yagyopavidam, the only use of that

nowadays is to hold the keys! alternative to key chains!

 

CHATURVARNYAM MAYA SRISTHAM

GUNA KARMA VIBHA VASAHAH.

 

The above is the statement by Bhagwan Sri Krishna in The Bhagwad

Geetha, the Chaturvaryam is created on the basis of Guna and Karma,

He never mentioned Jathi any where. Our mind is so much programmed

from childhood onwards who ever wears yagnopavidam they are great! is

it not utter foolishness.

 

"In Chennai even in offices when you go if one of your superior is

Jathi Brahmin, he use to just put his arms around the shoulders in

search of Yagyopavidam, if that is there he is satisfied, he thinks

he got another HIS OWN GUY. This is totally ridiculous".

 

And if you hail from Kerala, they will first ask, what language you

speak in the house, because this "Jathi experts" are afraid to ask

directly, you know, I told one of them we speak "SANSKRIT" in the

house!

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

advaitin, av krshnan <avkrshnan> wrote:

> respected all,

> the true brahmin is already on a

> renounciatory path from the day of his initiation.

> and he was supposed to live on a day

> to day basis.

> what more was there for him to give

> up?

> life is the cheapest thing one can

> surrender.

> [we keep saying, "i will give you my

> life". what will the poor fellow do with your dead

> body? be arrested for murder?]

> even today, after the brahmin was

> wrathfully removed from public administration, see

> where "corruption in govt" and every walk of life has

> led india to?

> differentiating between "public

> wealth" and "personal earnings" has now disappeared.

> the men in power think they are

> perfectly entitled to a percentage return on the

> funds going thro their hands, though he is only a

> functionary disbursing public remittances for public

> weal.

> from time immemorial , vasishtta and

> vaamadeva to rajagopalachari and jawahar lal nehru,

> as long as the "brahmin" was the MANTHRI, there was

> fear to touch public funds, public wealth, temple

> wealth etc.

> but see now, where we have landed,

> after the distinction between public and personal

> wealth has been erased?

> in the" phala shruthi" for vishnu

> sahasra naamam, the brahmin can aspire only for

> jnaanam, not wealth and well being!!!

> there is no need to JUMP ON ME.

> I AGREE there are no more brahmins

> left.apologia to whoever of the species have

> survived.

> painfully yrs,

> a.v.krshnan.

>

>

>

-- Neelakantan <pneelaka@s...> wrote: > --- In

> advaitin, Benjamin

> > <orion777ben> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Earlier I said:

> > >

> > > "From the point of view of stereotypes, Brahmins

> > have the advantage

> > > of erudition, intellect and wisdom. However,

> > Kshatriyas have one

> > > great advantage: their willingness to lay down

> > their life for a

> > > higher cause. This is the ultimate sacrifice and

> > resembles Jesus a

> > > bit."

> > >

> > >

> > > A bit too simplistic... I just reread an article

> > that refreshed my

> > > memory on how Brahmins led the independence

> > movement. Some died

> > and

> > > many went to prison.

> > >

> > > Still, I wonder how Brahmins and Kshatriyas got

> > along in ancient

> > > times and what effect this had on the evolution of

> > Hinduism.

> > > Probably too big a question.

> > >

> >

> > Namaste Benji,

> >

> > Parashurama and Drona were great brahmin warriors.

> > And there were

> > kings like Janaka who taught atma vidya to others

> > including brahmins.

> >

> > Harih Om!

> > Neelakantan

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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most respected Krishna prasadji!

 

what a divine post with divinity written allover it! thank you !

thank you so much!

 

after reading your post, i wanted to share WITH YOU ALL this poem of

shri Rabindranath Tagore !

 

Tagore wrote THIS POEM from the point of view of an untouchable or

outcast in the corrupted caste system of India. Many Indians fought

non-violently to remove untouchability; Gandhi, Tagore's

contemporary, called the "outcastsHarijan" or "Children of

God".And i had mentioned about Narayana Guru , THE KERALA SAINT, who

worked for the upliftment of the ezhavas !

 

 

 

Friendless as a child

 

And looking far away,

 

I live my days in solitude.

 

I was born in a world

 

Unloved, unclean,

 

A world without walls and blazons.

 

My neighbors' homes were circled by high fences.

 

I was a nameless boy, an outcast,

 

They had fine and crowded homes;

>From afar, I watched their coming and their going

 

Along the paved way.

 

I have no caste,

 

And may not dine with them.

 

The men brought up in ritual and creed

 

Did not recognize Man in me,

 

Therefore I played on the streets alone.

 

Holding up their robes, they passed by,

 

And plucked flowers for the worship of their God,

 

Flowers plucked by the rules of their holy books;

 

And for my God, left behind

 

Flowers from all lands,

 

Flowers blessed by the same sun.

 

Neglected by the crowd

 

I have roved, hungry for unity with Man,

 

Whose guest-house has no walls, no guards.

 

Beyond the crowd I have found friends in my solitude,

 

Friends who in history's great Ages

 

Have come with lights,

 

Come with the Great Message.

 

They are heroes, death-conquerers,

 

They are my kith and kin,

 

My caste and my lineage.

 

By their constant purity, I am made pure.

 

They are Truth's pilgrims,

 

Light's worshippers,

 

Worthy possessors of Amrita*.

 

In the narrow circle, I have lost Man

 

And found him there, where he transcends

 

The limits of all lands.

 

With folded hands, I have prayed to Him:

 

'O Eternal Man, you who belong to all men,

 

Save me from the arrogance of Pride,

 

That wears the mark of Exclusion.'

 

Rabindranath Tagore (1861-1941)

 

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Folks, anyone here care to differentiate between religion and

spiritualty?

 

Gandhiji was spiritual; so was Tagore !

 

Love always

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99>

wrote:

> Hari OM!

>

> Dear Krishnaji,

>

> I think you mentioned here regarding jathi Brahmins, there is no

> significance for them, most of the jathi Brahmins are not Guna

> Brahmins! Even if they rule nowadays corrpution will happen. When

the

> so called "clean" poeple ruled also they have done corruption, for

> their selfishness, which will never come out to the public. They do

> everything as hypocrites, Hidingly! Nehru was one of the immoral

> character history have seen, and he is almost an atheist due to his

> British education. Even though he has done lot of good things to

> India.

>

> Corruption is in the Human Mind, not in the Jathi! Jathi got

nothing

> to do with corruption.

>

> In The Vishnu Sahasranamam the "Brahmin" menitoned is Only GUNA

> BRAHMIN, not the one who wears Yagyopavidam, the only use of that

> nowadays is to hold the keys! alternative to key chains!

>

> CHATURVARNYAM MAYA SRISTHAM

> GUNA KARMA VIBHA VASAHAH.

>

> The above is the statement by Bhagwan Sri Krishna in The Bhagwad

> Geetha, the Chaturvaryam is created on the basis of Guna and Karma,

> He never mentioned Jathi any where. Our mind is so much programmed

> from childhood onwards who ever wears yagnopavidam they are great!

is

> it not utter foolishness.

>

> "In Chennai even in offices when you go if one of your superior is

> Jathi Brahmin, he use to just put his arms around the shoulders in

> search of Yagyopavidam, if that is there he is satisfied, he thinks

> he got another HIS OWN GUY. This is totally ridiculous".

>

> And if you hail from Kerala, they will first ask, what language you

> speak in the house, because this "Jathi experts" are afraid to ask

> directly, you know, I told one of them we speak "SANSKRIT" in the

> house!

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

>

>

> advaitin, av krshnan <avkrshnan> wrote:

> > respected all,

> > the true brahmin is already on a

> > renounciatory path from the day of his initiation.

> > and he was supposed to live on a day

> > to day basis.

> > what more was there for him to give

> > up?

> > life is the cheapest thing one can

> > surrender.

> > [we keep saying, "i will give you my

> > life". what will the poor fellow do with your dead

> > body? be arrested for murder?]

> > even today, after the brahmin was

> > wrathfully removed from public administration, see

> > where "corruption in govt" and every walk of life has

> > led india to?

> > differentiating between "public

> > wealth" and "personal earnings" has now disappeared.

> > the men in power think they are

> > perfectly entitled to a percentage return on the

> > funds going thro their hands, though he is only a

> > functionary disbursing public remittances for public

> > weal.

> > from time immemorial , vasishtta and

> > vaamadeva to rajagopalachari and jawahar lal nehru,

> > as long as the "brahmin" was the MANTHRI, there was

> > fear to touch public funds, public wealth, temple

> > wealth etc.

> > but see now, where we have landed,

> > after the distinction between public and personal

> > wealth has been erased?

> > in the" phala shruthi" for vishnu

> > sahasra naamam, the brahmin can aspire only for

> > jnaanam, not wealth and well being!!!

> > there is no need to JUMP ON ME.

> > I AGREE there are no more brahmins

> > left.apologia to whoever of the species have

> > survived.

> > painfully yrs,

> > a.v.krshnan.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -- Neelakantan <pneelaka@s...> wrote: > --- In

> > advaitin, Benjamin

> > > <orion777ben> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Earlier I said:

> > > >

> > > > "From the point of view of stereotypes, Brahmins

> > > have the advantage

> > > > of erudition, intellect and wisdom. However,

> > > Kshatriyas have one

> > > > great advantage: their willingness to lay down

> > > their life for a

> > > > higher cause. This is the ultimate sacrifice and

> > > resembles Jesus a

> > > > bit."

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A bit too simplistic... I just reread an article

> > > that refreshed my

> > > > memory on how Brahmins led the independence

> > > movement. Some died

> > > and

> > > > many went to prison.

> > > >

> > > > Still, I wonder how Brahmins and Kshatriyas got

> > > along in ancient

> > > > times and what effect this had on the evolution of

> > > Hinduism.

> > > > Probably too big a question.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Benji,

> > >

> > > Parashurama and Drona were great brahmin warriors.

> > > And there were

> > > kings like Janaka who taught atma vidya to others

> > > including brahmins.

> > >

> > > Harih Om!

> > > Neelakantan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99>

wrote:

>

> In The Vishnu Sahasranamam the "Brahmin" menitoned is Only GUNA

> BRAHMIN, not the one who wears Yagyopavidam, the only use of that

> nowadays is to hold the keys! alternative to key chains!

>

> CHATURVARNYAM MAYA SRISTHAM

> GUNA KARMA VIBHA VASAHAH.

>

> The above is the statement by Bhagwan Sri Krishna in The Bhagwad

> Geetha, the Chaturvaryam is created on the basis of Guna and

Karma,

> He never mentioned Jathi any where. Our mind is so much programmed

> from childhood onwards who ever wears yagnopavidam they are great!

is

> it not utter foolishness.

 

Namaste.

 

On the question of the Varna system, one may refer to the following

messages:

m18187, m18189, m18191 of the escribe archives (Aug.2003)

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Balaji Ramasubramanian"

<balajiramasubramanian> wrote:

> Namaste all,

>

> There was so much talk about jati and varNa here, that I thought I

> might just ask one thing.

>

 

Namaste, Balaji

 

Since you are very much interested in 'jati' and 'guna' and 'varna'

I would like you to have a critical look at the following website of

mine where I have a whole chapter on the subject. A revised version

is a chapter in my Book on Science and Spirituality -- A Vedanta

Perception, published by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. The web address is:

 

http://www.geocities.com/profvk/thetype.html

 

praNAms to all advaitins

profvk