BhArata SamBhavam - Vishwamitra and vrittis!Hello ProfVKji

[Guest guest]

Hari OM!

 

Dear Profvkji,

 

Profvk wrote:

 

On the question of the Varna system, one may refer to the following

> messages:

> m18187, m18189, m18191 of the escribe archives (Aug.2003)

>

> PraNAms to all advaitins

> profvk

 

August 2003 starts with Message # 18455, there is no 18187 or 18189

or 18191 in the escribe archive of Aug 2003! Can you please clarify

which messages you are exactly referring to???

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

 

 

 

advaitin, "V. Krishnamurthy" <profvk>

wrote:

> advaitin, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > In The Vishnu Sahasranamam the "Brahmin" menitoned is Only GUNA

> > BRAHMIN, not the one who wears Yagyopavidam, the only use of that

> > nowadays is to hold the keys! alternative to key chains!

> >

> > CHATURVARNYAM MAYA SRISTHAM

> > GUNA KARMA VIBHA VASAHAH.

> >

> > The above is the statement by Bhagwan Sri Krishna in The Bhagwad

> > Geetha, the Chaturvaryam is created on the basis of Guna and

> Karma,

> > He never mentioned Jathi any where. Our mind is so much

programmed

> > from childhood onwards who ever wears yagnopavidam they are

great!

> is

> > it not utter foolishness.

>

> Namaste.

>

> On the question of the Varna system, one may refer to the following

> messages:

> m18187, m18189, m18191 of the escribe archives (Aug.2003)

>

> PraNAms to all advaitins

> profvk

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99>

wrote:

> Hari OM!

>

> Dear Profvkji,

>

> Profvk wrote:

>

> On the question of the Varna system, one may refer to the

following

> > messages:

> > m18187, m18189, m18191 of the escribe archives (Aug.2003)

> >

> > PraNAms to all advaitins

> > profvk

>

> August 2003 starts with Message # 18455, there is no 18187 or

18189

> or 18191 in the escribe archive of Aug 2003! Can you please

clarify

> which messages you are exactly referring to???

>

 

Namaste, Krishna Prasad-ji,

 

There are two kinds of numbering in our files: One is the escribe

archives (they always start with the english letter 'm'). The other

is the advaitin message file. I am giving the corresponding numbers

below:

 

Archives no. m18187 : Advaitin message no.18468

Archives no.:m18189 Advaitin message no.18470

Archives no. m18191 Advaitin message no.18472

 

PraNAms to all advaitins

profvk

[Guest guest]

Namaste all,

 

There was so much talk about jati and varNa here, that I thought I

might just ask one thing.

 

While it was very good for everyone to have pointed it out that varNa

is based on guNa and not on jAti, (something that even I maintain)

how many of us really view other castes per se as just different in

guNa and karma and otherwise equal? How is it practiced nowadays?

Even when we know that guNa decides it, how many of the brahmins tell

their children 'You are a brahmin boy.'? How many kshatriyas make a

family of kshatriyas? And so on....

 

If jAti is not important, then why is it important today? If such a

thing is unfortunate, then what is done about it? Are we going to

simply leave it at that? [i am not asking you to start a reform

movement or something, the reform if any should come within. Are we

ready to reform our views today about this issue?]

 

How many brahmins consider themselves superior, nay the supreme? How

many kshatriyas consider themselves either supreme or next to

supreme? And so on....

 

Is this attitude of supreme and attachment to one's varNa due to pure

ego? What are we doing about this ego?

 

Finally, let each person ask himself:

 

1. What decides guNa? [let's talk of sattva guNa]

 

a. Reading philosophy or being a member of some philosophical or

spiritual group

b. Being part of a satsangh

c. Being truly devotional to God, devoid of the question of varNa.

d. Doing the right action, with all devotion, and not expecting any

results at all, devoid of the question of varNa.

e. Using one's discrimination to decide, what are the reason for all

universal problems. Are they external? Are they internal? And thus,

with right discrimination, and without bothering to know what his

varNa is, trying to remove the cause for suffering from himself. Is

this guNa?

 

Let me give you a hint this time. (Last time, my multiple choice

question, MCQ lost its message and led to personal emails.) The last

three are not incorrect. The correct answer is among any of these.

And all three are equivalently correct.

 

2. If my guNa is known, then what is my varNa, since otherwise I

would not know my karma. So let me just for the sake of knowing my

karma, learn my varNa? What is my varNa? (Let this question be asked

of himself by each reader. )

 

Hint: If you don't care what your guNa is, then what is your varNa,

then what is your karma? To the one who does not understand what guNa

is, what is varNa and what is karma?

 

Now answer the question:

 

3. If as is evident from the above questions and from the scripture

(Bh.G), varNa is useful only for knowing the components of soceity as

such, and therefore to help in the running of soceity by organizing

it well, then what is the need for such barriers that we have created

for eternity? What happens for example if a shudra born, very well

washed, scholarly, and sattvic person, eats with you, will you

consent to eat with him?

 

Now is it important that he be sattvic at all, that too, just for

eating with you? Is eating with you as great as reading the

Upanishads or something? Are YOU sattvic enough to eat with that

person?

 

Again another example, what if someone in the family wishes to marry

someone of a different caste (always lower caste - for the brahmins,

kshatriyas are lesser, but for the kshatriyas, the brahmins are

lesser!) What would your reaction to it be, if it were the case with

your children? Will you worry about the birth or the guNa of the

person concerned?

 

Ok, let's say the other person is guNavAn, will you consent to the

alliance? Now is that sattvic quality of the other person so

important that he be qualified enough to marry your child (the

question is about your child, not you!) Is your child, or are you so

sattvic, that we should "allow" the alliance?

 

So many questions.... But their answers are meant to be given to

oneself.

 

-Balaji

[Guest guest]

advaitin, "Balaji Ramasubramanian"

<balajiramasubramanian> wrote:

>

> So many questions.... But their answers are meant to be given to

> oneself.

>

 

Namaste,

 

The questions have relevance only if one refutes this month's

theme: ....pUrNamidam........!

 

 

Regards,

 

Sunder

[Guest guest]

Namaste moderators and profji,

 

I understand that the post is far from the issue. My next post will

surely be about the month's topic. I promise.

 

I saw profji's webpage on the varNa system. However, I think my point

was not very clear in those questions.

 

All I wanted to say was - varNa is alright as long as guNa is looked

at (I have been saying this all along), but when discrimination on

the basis if varNa is made, one must look for one's own guNas.

 

When I asked - 'Are YOU sattvic enough to eat with him?' I was

plainly asking the discriminatory to look for one's own guNa before

discriminating on caste.

 

-Balaji