Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Thank you benji! Are you kidding! i thrive on compliments! smiles! You brought up an interesting point -Redistribution of wealth ! as an economics major , i always luved reading Marx's communist manifesto and adam smith's wealth of nations and John maynard keynes books ! You want to focus on the spiritual ! let me ask you can one be spiritual when their stomachs are empty ? You know the story of Gautama buddha ! Buddha could not get enlightement (nirvana) on an empty stomach- even he had to stop meditating and eat a few morsels of food just to keep his body and soul together ! You mentioned about communism ... well, communism has failed as is obvious from the Russian experience ... but where there is poverty, both communism and to some extent 'christianity' takes stronghold ! We are not asking for an equal distribution of wealth but what we are asking for is a 'fair distribution of wealth' - that's all ! Gandhiji once said,I have now come to the final conclusion that, if all the Upanishads and all other scriptures happened all of a sudden to be reduced to ashes and if only the first verse in the Isopanishd were left intact in the memory of Hindus, Hinduism would live forever." The text runs 1hus: sa-vasyam idam sarvan yat-kim ca jagatyam jagat, tena tyaktena burjitha ma gradhah kasya svid-dhanam, "By the Lord is enveloped all this, whatever moving there is in the moving world. Through renouncing this thou mayest enjoy, covet not the wealth ot anyone." This text can be expressed in the following statement: 1. God is all; the entire universe is an expression of Him. 2. Joy is not in hoarding but in giving. Attachment to the finite and the perishing things is evil, and is the cause of sorrow. Renunciation of attachment is the highest good. YES, BENJI WE ARE TALKING OF 'GREED' AND 'COVETEOUSNES '! !! have you been to india? Once you go, you will feel the pain of the hungry children roaming the streets of Bombay , calcutta and chennai... NO WONDER, THE christian missionaries are having a hey day converting the poor hindus ! AS long as the caste system is used as a mechanism to deny 'rights' of decent and dignified living to the lower classes (like untouchables) - it should be 'shunned' - I do not see it as 'dharma' only as 'adharma' and i do not believe in the 'karma' theory either saying that one is born 'untouchable' because of pasr karma !!! a ridiculous argument! Narayana guru always maitined " Ore jaati ! ore madham ! ore daivam' " only one caste! only one religion ! only one God'" i will end with this quote There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread." ~ Mahatma Gandhi Hari Aum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > i will end with this quote > > There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to > them except in the form of bread." > ~ Mahatma Gandhi > > Hari Aum! Namaste. Thank you, Adiji for the quotation and a wonderful post. I wanted to add this (also attributed to Gandhiji): There is enough wealth in the world to satisfy everyone's needs, but not enough to satisfy everyone's greed. Hari Om! Neelakantan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namaste, While we are on the subject of Gandhiji's quotations, let us practise his philosophy: "We have to be the change we wish to see." [ http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/nonvio21.html ] Regards, Sunder advaitin, "Neelakantan" <pneelaka@s...> wrote: > advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" > <adi_shakthi16> wrote:> > > > There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to > > them except in the form of bread." > > ~ Mahatma Gandhi > > > > Hari Aum! > > > Namaste. > > Thank you, Adiji for the quotation and a wonderful post. I wanted to > add this (also attributed to Gandhiji): There is enough wealth in > the world to satisfy everyone's needs, but not enough to satisfy > everyone's greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 sunderji! You do practice loving-kindness , the religion of Dalai Lama . Thank you so much for that wonderful quote! and that great link! Do you KNOW one of Gandhiji's grandsons (also grandson of Rajaji) , Dr. Ramachandra Gandhi , profeesor of philosophy , is also an adwaitin? I attended a wonderful lecture given by him while in Delhi , on the comparative approaches of Gandhiji and Shri Ramana Maharishi. Well, sunderji- i have question albeit a silly one ( members do not ger angry) ! Should we change the world by being true advaitins (guna brahmins) or by being ritualistic - caste-mark wearing brahmins? what is your humble opinion? we already know balaji's opinion on this matter and i do adnire his candor on this subject. regards -- In advaitin, "Sunder Hattangadi" <sunderh> wrote: > Namaste, > > While we are on the subject of Gandhiji's quotations, let us > practise his philosophy: > > "We have to be the change we wish to see." > > [ http://www.gandhiinstitute.org/nonvio21.html ] > > > > Regards, > > Sunder > > > advaitin, "Neelakantan" <pneelaka@s...> wrote: > > advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" > > <adi_shakthi16> wrote:> > > > > There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear > to > > > them except in the form of bread." > > > ~ Mahatma Gandhi > > > > > > Hari Aum! > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > Thank you, Adiji for the quotation and a wonderful post. I wanted > to > > add this (also attributed to Gandhiji): There is enough wealth in > > the world to satisfy everyone's needs, but not enough to satisfy > > everyone's greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 advaitin, "adi_shakthi16" <adi_shakthi16> wrote: > Should we change the world by being true advaitins (guna brahmins) or > by being ritualistic - caste-mark wearing brahmins? what is your > humble opinion? Namaste Adi-ji, Trying to change the world is usurping the power of Brahma! Paramatman can certainly grant that wish to someone and put him/her in charge of one corner of this vast universe! Rituals are a necessary step in 'sadhana', which is dispensed with as the Wisdom of the Spirit engulfs one's whole being. Gita: aarurukShormuneryogaM karma kaaraNamuchyate . yogaaruuDhasya tasyaiva shamaH kaaraNamuchyate .. 6\-3.. yasya sarve samaarambhaaH kaamasaN^kalpavarjitaaH . GYaanaagnidagdhakarmaaNa.n tamaahuH paNDitaM budhaaH .. 4\-19.. tasmaachchhaastraM pramaaNaM te kaaryaakaaryavyavasthitau . GYaatvaa shaastravidhaanokta.n karma kartumihaarhasi .. 16\-24.. tadviddhi praNipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa . upadekShyanti te GYaanaM GYaaninastattvadarshinaH .. 4\-34.. Regards, Sunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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