Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Namaste Sridharji and Adiji, Adiji, I keep trying to 'convert' to Goddess worshipping bhakti over on your colorful and warm-hearted list, and you keep bringing me back to this dry, scholarly list! You are not being a good missionary. I guess Hindus have trouble grasping the missionary concept. :-) Well, as you and Sridharji correctly point out, we must combine both, just as the male and female principles must be combined under the guise of the union of Shiva and Shakti (or Consciousness and Maya). Thank you for those verses from Jnaneshwar. We were recently treated to the Amritanubhava by our own Nirmalaji. >In this state, bhakta worships God wholly without doing >any action. Bhakti is not an act of devotion but the very >nature of God." Yes, I can understand how dwelling in silence in the bliss of one's own consciousness, like Ramana, is the truest form of bhakti. At least, I can understand this at the intellectual level. >Jnaneshvara says that bhakti is the fifth purusartha >and higher than moksa. Really it's about love. I can understand that love is the best, even better than wisdom. Nothing is more beautiful than love. Wisdom is the bridge to love. Emotionally, I can understand love for an ideal woman, since I confess to having had such foolish dreams when I was younger. Those foolish dreams could indeed be extraordinarily inspiring and beautiful. Now, intellectually, I understand that those beautiful feelings should be transferred to everybody and everything, without discrimination. I believe that it is possible in principle, but it is still only intellectual for me. But even that intellectual understanding is some progress. As I said to Brianna earlier today on your site, I agree with her that cockroaches are disgusting. I guess I will be liberated when I learn to love even cockroaches. A strange thought, but it must be true according to Advaitic principles. >The enjoyment of the objects of senses becomes sweeter >than the bliss of final emancipation, and in the home >of loving devotion the devotee and his God experience >their sweet union. Now that sounds like my kind of religion! Not that I am anywhere near this point, but I like the emphasis on sweetness. What is sweeter than love? (For the sake of honesty, I must confess that I often have a weary and cynical side too.) Hari Om! Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Dear heart, As a true hindu and a gandhian, i do not believe in 'conversions'! smiles!!!! I believe only in 'transformation' I remember these famous words of Gandhiji .... and he would say "Show me one Christian and I will become a Christian. People cannot be called christians just becos they have christian names..they must live like Jesus to be a christian. " "If you want to smell the aroma of Christianity, you must copy the rose. The rose irresistibly draws people to itself, and the scent remains with them. The aroma of Christianity is subtler even than that of a rose. Therefore, it should be imparted in an even quieter and more imperceptible manner, if possible." - Mahatma Gandhi. so, benji - there is nothing to convert! You are the 'light' The Kundalini shakthi is already residing in you very firmly just like in all of us! Yes i am simply in love with Jnasehwer 's amritanubhava - specially - the poet in me luvs the Metaphors ! OF COURSE, IF YOU ARE A mARATHII, YOU CAN ENJOY THE VERSES IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE ! translations are always paler by comparison! i had posted these verses in my group Brahmanshakti three years ago! YES, SILENCE !!! from SILENCE WE GO TO THE SOUND OF AUM!!!! when it is appropriate, we will talk about Paravani, vaikari, madhyama, pashyanti in Sadhana_shakti! smiles!! but for now, i WILL LEAVE YOU WITHIS VERSE from the sromad bhagwat gita ... BELOVED KRISHNA SAYS ... The Blessed Lord Said: "All the gates of the body closed, the MIND confined within the heart, having FIXED his life-energy in the head, engaged in FIRM yoga; UTTERING the one-syllabled "OM", Brahman, THINKING of ME, he who departs, leaving the body, ATTAINS the Supreme Goal. Shrimad Bhagvat Gita ********************************************************************** Hari AUM TAT SAT!!!!!! > >In this state, bhakta worships God wholly without doing > >any action. Bhakti is not an act of devotion but the very > >nature of God." > > Yes, I can understand how dwelling in silence in the bliss of one's > own consciousness, like Ramana, is the truest form of bhakti. At > least, I can understand this at the intellectual level. > > > >Jnaneshvara says that bhakti is the fifth purusartha > >and higher than moksa. > > Really it's about love. I can understand that love is the best, even > better than wisdom. Nothing is more beautiful than love. Wisdom is > the bridge to love. > > Emotionally, I can understand love for an ideal woman, since I > confess to having had such foolish dreams when I was younger. Those > foolish dreams could indeed be extraordinarily inspiring and > beautiful. Now, intellectually, I understand that those beautiful > feelings should be transferred to everybody and everything, without > discrimination. I believe that it is possible in principle, but it > is still only intellectual for me. But even that intellectual > understanding is some progress. > > As I said to Brianna earlier today on your site, I agree with her > that cockroaches are disgusting. I guess I will be liberated when I > learn to love even cockroaches. A strange thought, but it must be > true according to Advaitic principles. > > > >The enjoyment of the objects of senses becomes sweeter > >than the bliss of final emancipation, and in the home > >of loving devotion the devotee and his God experience > >their sweet union. > > Now that sounds like my kind of religion! Not that I am anywhere > near this point, but I like the emphasis on sweetness. What is > sweeter than love? (For the sake of honesty, I must confess that I > often have a weary and cynical side too.) > > Hari Om! > Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 advaitin, Benjamin <orion777ben> wrote: > > > Well, as you and Sridharji correctly point out, we must > combine both, just as the male and female principles must be combined > under the guise of the union of Shiva and Shakti (or Consciousness > and Maya). Thank you for those verses from Jnaneshwar. We were > recently treated to the Amritanubhava by our own Nirmalaji. > > > >In this state, bhakta worships God wholly without doing > >any action. Bhakti is not an act of devotion but the very > >nature of God." > > Yes, I can understand how dwelling in silence in the bliss of one's > own consciousness, like Ramana, is the truest form of bhakti. At > least, I can understand this at the intellectual level. > > > >Jnaneshvara says that bhakti is the fifth purusartha > >and higher than moksa. > > Really it's about love. I can understand that love is the best, even > better than wisdom. Nothing is more beautiful than love. Wisdom is > the bridge to love. > > Emotionally, I can understand love for an ideal woman, since I > confess to having had such foolish dreams when I was younger. Those > foolish dreams could indeed be extraordinarily inspiring and > beautiful. Now, intellectually, I understand that those beautiful > feelings should be transferred to everybody and everything, without > discrimination. I believe that it is possible in principle, but it > is still only intellectual for me. But even that intellectual > understanding is some progress. > > As I said to Brianna earlier today on your site, I agree with her > that cockroaches are disgusting. I guess I will be liberated when I > learn to love even cockroaches. A strange thought, but it must be > true according to Advaitic principles. > > > >The enjoyment of the objects of senses becomes sweeter > >than the bliss of final emancipation, and in the home > >of loving devotion the devotee and his God experience > >their sweet union. > > Now that sounds like my kind of religion! Not that I am anywhere > near this point, but I like the emphasis on sweetness. What is > sweeter than love? (For the sake of honesty, I must confess that I > often have a weary and cynical side too.) > > Hari Om! > Benjamin Namaste! I think a true bhakta sees everything in the Lord, while a true jnani sees brahman in everything. I think it was Swami Chinmayananda who said that jnana and bhakti are the two wings by which we can soar to freedom. To me bhakti seems essential in my sadhana to subjugate the ego. If we look at the handiwork of ishvara all around us, we cannot but be humbled. Consider this: a plant combines light, water, air (nitrogen) and earth and produces flower and fruit. What intelligence is it that works this miracle? When we see this and other miracles everyday, can we remain unmoved? I was reminded of the song by Bharathi. He sings: kaakkaiccirahinile nanda laala nindan kariya niram thonruthada nanda laala (In the wings of the crow, I see your black color, Nanda Lal) theekkuL viralai vaiththal nanda lala ninnaith theendum inbam thonruthada nanda lala (When I touch fire, I feel the thrill of touching you, Nanda Lal) Harih Om! Neelakantan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Thank you for that beautiful Bharatiyar song! when we were in fifth grade , we performed a group dance ! do you remember this ... " aasai mugham maranthu pocche , athai yaaridam solvenadi thozhi? " gangai karai thottam , kanniyarkal kootam" ? smiles!!! well our benji talked about "sweetness" and here is something to celebrate the 'sweetness' of OUR BELOVED Krishna! Vallabacharya's Madurashtakam Madhurashtakam by Shri Vallabhacarya (1) adharam madhuram vadanam madhuram nayanam madhuram hasitam madhuram hrdayam madhuram gamanam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His lips are sweet, His face is sweet His eyes are sweet, His smile is sweet His heart is sweet, His gait is sweet—Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! (2) vacanam madhuram caritam madhuram vasanam madhuram valitam madhuram calitam madhuram bhramitam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His words are sweet, His character is sweet His dress is sweet, His belly-folds are sweet His movements are sweet, His wandering is sweet— Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! (3) venur madhuro renur madhura panir madhura padau madhurau nrtyam madhuram sakhyam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His flute is sweet, His foot-dust is sweet His hands are sweet, His feet are sweet His dancing is sweet, His friendship is sweet— Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! (4) gitam madhuram pitam madhuram bhuktam madhuram suptam madhuram rupam madhuram tilakam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His singing is sweet, His yellow cloth is sweet His eating is sweet, His sleeping is sweet His beauty is sweet, His tilaka is sweet— Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! (5) karanam madhuram taranam madhuram haranam madhuram ramanam madhuram vamitam madhuram shamitam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His deeds are sweet, His liberating is sweet His stealing is sweet, His love-sports are sweet His oblations are sweet, His tranquility is sweet—Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! (6) gunja madhura mala madhura yamuna madhura vici madhura salilam madhuram kamalam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His gunja-berry necklace is sweet, His flower garland is sweet His Yamuna river is sweet, His ripples are sweet His water is sweet, His lotuses are sweet—Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! (7) gopi madhura lila madhura yuktam madhuram bhuktam madhuram hrishtam madhuram shiishtam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram (8) gopa madhura gavo madhura yaishtir madhura Shrishtir madhura dalitam madhuram phalitam madhuram madhuradhi-pater akhilam madhuram His gopas are sweet, His cows are sweet His staff is sweet, His creation is sweet His trampling is sweet, His fruitfulness is sweet— Everything is sweet about the Emperor of sweetness! LISTEN TO THE BEAUTIFUL RENDERING OF THIS SONG AT http://www.musicindiaonline.com in M.S. subbalaxmi's melodious voice advaitin, "Neelakantan" <pneelaka@s...> wrote: > advaitin, Benjamin <orion777ben> wrote: > > > > > > Well, as you and Sridharji correctly point out, we must > > combine both, just as the male and female principles must be > combined > > under the guise of the union of Shiva and Shakti (or Consciousness > > and Maya). Thank you for those verses from Jnaneshwar. We were > > recently treated to the Amritanubhava by our own Nirmalaji. > > > > > > >In this state, bhakta worships God wholly without doing > > >any action. Bhakti is not an act of devotion but the very > > >nature of God." > > > > Yes, I can understand how dwelling in silence in the bliss of one's > > own consciousness, like Ramana, is the truest form of bhakti. At > > least, I can understand this at the intellectual level. > > > > > > >Jnaneshvara says that bhakti is the fifth purusartha > > >and higher than moksa. > > > > Really it's about love. I can understand that love is the best, > even > > better than wisdom. Nothing is more beautiful than love. Wisdom > is > > the bridge to love. > > > > Emotionally, I can understand love for an ideal woman, since I > > confess to having had such foolish dreams when I was younger. > Those > > foolish dreams could indeed be extraordinarily inspiring and > > beautiful. Now, intellectually, I understand that those beautiful > > feelings should be transferred to everybody and everything, without > > discrimination. I believe that it is possible in principle, but it > > is still only intellectual for me. But even that intellectual > > understanding is some progress. > > > > As I said to Brianna earlier today on your site, I agree with her > > that cockroaches are disgusting. I guess I will be liberated when > I > > learn to love even cockroaches. A strange thought, but it must be > > true according to Advaitic principles. > > > > > > >The enjoyment of the objects of senses becomes sweeter > > >than the bliss of final emancipation, and in the home > > >of loving devotion the devotee and his God experience > > >their sweet union. > > > > Now that sounds like my kind of religion! Not that I am anywhere > > near this point, but I like the emphasis on sweetness. What is > > sweeter than love? (For the sake of honesty, I must confess that I > > often have a weary and cynical side too.) > > > > Hari Om! > > Benjamin > > Namaste! > > I think a true bhakta sees everything in the Lord, while a true jnani > sees brahman in everything. I think it was Swami Chinmayananda who > said that jnana and bhakti are the two wings by which we can soar to > freedom. > > To me bhakti seems essential in my sadhana to subjugate the ego. If > we look at the handiwork of ishvara all around us, we cannot but be > humbled. Consider this: a plant combines light, water, air (nitrogen) > and earth and produces flower and fruit. What intelligence is it that > works this miracle? When we see this and other miracles everyday, can > we remain unmoved? > > I was reminded of the song by Bharathi. He sings: > > kaakkaiccirahinile nanda laala > nindan kariya niram thonruthada nanda laala > > (In the wings of the crow, I see your black color, Nanda Lal) > > theekkuL viralai vaiththal nanda lala > ninnaith theendum inbam thonruthada nanda lala > > (When I touch fire, I feel the thrill of touching you, Nanda Lal) > > Harih Om! > Neelakantan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 advaitin, "Neelakantan" <pneelaka@s...> wrote: > > I was reminded of the song by Bharathi. He sings: > > kaakkaiccirahinile nanda laala > nindan kariya niram thonruthada nanda laala > > (In the wings of the crow, I see your black color, Nanda Lal) > > theekkuL viralai vaiththal nanda lala > ninnaith theendum inbam thonruthada nanda lala > > (When I touch fire, I feel the thrill of touching you, Nanda Lal) > > Harih Om! > Neelakantan Namaste Neelaji and all advaitins Thanks for reminding me of kaakkai chiraginile...I will add a couple of small stanzas that are missing: Kaetkum Oliyil ellam, nandalala, nindran Geetham isaikudaiye Nandalala ( I all the sounds i hear, i hear your melodious music ) Paarkum Marangallellam nandalala, nindran, pasumai niram thondruthaiye Nandalala ( When I see the trees, I see your lush green color) I am not sure about this last reference to green color - I thought Rama was green and Krishna was blue/ bluish black? That aside, This is an amazingly beautiful song and so soothing to hear carnatic vocalists render it. The only link to the song I could find on the net was one sung by K. J. Yesudoss for a film...It is sweet too- third song in the page that appears on clicking on link below http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW00040K Many thousand namaskarams to all advaitins Sridhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 advaitin, "asridhar19" <asridhar19> wrote: > > Namaste Neelaji and all advaitins > > Thanks for reminding me of kaakkai chiraginile...I will add a couple > of small stanzas that are missing: > > Kaetkum Oliyil ellam, nandalala, nindran Geetham isaikudaiye Nandalala > > ( I all the sounds i hear, i hear your melodious music ) > > Paarkum Marangallellam nandalala, nindran, pasumai niram > thondruthaiye Nandalala > > ( When I see the trees, I see your lush green color) > > I am not sure about this last reference to green color - I thought > Rama was green and Krishna was blue/ bluish black? That aside, This > is an amazingly beautiful song and so soothing to hear carnatic > vocalists render it. The only link to the song I could find on the > net was one sung by K. J. Yesudoss for a film...It is sweet too- > third song in the page that appears on clicking on link below > > http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW00040K > > Many thousand namaskarams to all advaitins > > Sridhar Namaste Sridharji, Thanks for filling in the missing stanzas. I think if Bharathi had chanced upon something red, he would still have been reminded of Nanda Lala. If you recall, he has written many songs on Kannan - My guru Kannan, My disciple Kannan, My servant Kannan, etc. and even My love Kannamma and so forth. In his vision, everything is Kannan only. Harih Om! Neelakantan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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